64GordonCudmore.mp3

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64GordonCudmore - created 2003
Wed, 8/4 12:46PM • 47:58
Description: Gordon Cudmore is interviewed by Ruth Sandwell about his life, his family, people who have lived on Salt Spring over the years he has been here, and how the island has changed. This tape provides a wealth of information about specific names of individuals, as Gordon Cudmore brought a trove of photographs to pore over during the interview, recollecting with near-perfect accuracy the locations and people in them. He also suggests other old-timers who might be useful to talk to.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Fulford, identifying pictures, construction, Patterson’s Store, Salt Spring Island, logging, Gordon Cudmore, wharves, Doukhobors,

SPEAKERS
Gordon Cudmore, Ruth Sandwell

Ruth Sandwell 00:00
Oh, I see. So nice to be able to tell me who you are in these photographs from that from the geography.

Gordon Cudmore
From the mountain; Maxwell's mountain. This little girl in the picture is Molly Akerman. She married Howard Carling (?), she used to teach at the Ganges school. I don't know what year this would be, but it's getting

Ruth Sandwell 00:26
Yeah, it is.

Gordon Cudmore
And then this post office used to be there. And then it was moved from there down to the white lodge. It was moved to this picture I'm showing you now, it was moved there, then a fellow the name of Pop Eton (?) ran it, and then he got the job of being the postmaster at Ganges.

Ruth Sandwell 00:55
Oh, yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
So, he moved up here. And then my father moved the post office from this White Lodge over to where it is today at Fulford Wharf.

Ruth Sandwell 01:08
So, there were two post offices right on the end then?

Gordon Cudmore
No, there was one at Ganges, one at Fulford, and one at Beaver Point. But the federal government discontinued the one at Beaver Point, but they had rumors around that Patterson's had moved the post office from Beaver Point down to Fulford which is not true. My father moved it from White Lodge to the head of Fulford harbour over, it's been there ever since.

Ruth Sandwell 01:37
Did they move it because of the ferry service?

Gordon Cudmore
No, it was just my father put in for it.

Ruth Sandwell 01:43
Oh, yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
And there's several people put in for it. But a war veteran always got it ahead of somebody else.

Ruth Sandwell 01:53
Yeah, because of the services that they had.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, because it's a federal government.

Ruth Sandwell 01:58
(Unintelligible)

Gordon Cudmore
That's my father there. Here's one in civilian life (?).

Ruth Sandwell 02:12
Wait, so your father came here in 1927?

Gordon Cudmore
The spring of 1927.

Ruth Sandwell 02:19
So, what brought him here?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, he used to live in Sydney, and their house burned down. So, then they, he used to gill net on the Fraser River. So, he had a boat so he could move around most of the islands easy, so he moved to Fulford and rented a place there, that Billy Patterson owned that building there. Where he ran the store for a good many years but not where the store is right now.

Ruth Sandwell 02:47
Where was it?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, it was right across the road from the store he runs now. My brother and my uncle built that for a garage and then later it was converted into a store and Patterson's purchased it. My father was responsible for bringing the Shell Oil to Salt Spring.

Ruth Sandwell 03:11
Those are the old, the old pumps.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, I have, I have an old picture. I don't have it with me. But I have an old picture of the shell oil pump in front of the general store, which is now the coffee shop at the ferry terminal. Right. That's the one I was telling you that my father built in 1929 and opened it as a store. Then Patterson's opened the store across the road a year later. Adolf Treggie (?) built the building that we rented when we came to Salt Spring in 1927.

Ruth Sandwell 03:47
So where did you live when you first?

Gordon Cudmore
When we first came to Fulford we lived in a building that Patterson owned; Adolf Treggie had built it and ran it for a store just a short time.

Ruth Sandwell 04:01
Yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
And then when it closed down then Patterson bought the building, then my father rented the building from Patterson. '27, and in '29 he built across the road. He bought the property from a fellow by the name of McBride.

Ruth Sandwell 04:24
Where's that one?

Gordon Cudmore
St Mary's Lake.

Ruth Sandwell 04:26
Oh yeah. Do you know whose place this is?

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, that's Luke Harrison's uncle’s house. Mr. Harrison. And Mrs. Hughes owns the property right no, that house is tore down and then they've rebuilt. Luke lived in that for quite a while and that's the big barn down here. This is the old Burgoyne school.

Ruth Sandwell 04:39
Oh really? Can you tell what year this would be? Do you know this car?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, I'd say that's about a 1928 Model A Ford; '28, '29. I used to have one just like it, but two doors, (unintelligible). That's where this picture was taken. This picture was taken on the far side of it there. Billy Patterson went to this school. I've seen a picture of him after school. You probably have one here somewhere.

Ruth Sandwell 05:46
Yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
He came to Salt Spring when he was two years old. And he came to the Lee farm in Fulford valley.

Ruth Sandwell 05:54
That's right, his mother married one of the Lees.

Gordon Cudmore
'cause his father had died and his mother married one of the Lees which already had a family. Little Mollet (?) was one of the Lees.

Ruth Sandwell 06:02
Oh really? I didn't know that. And so, he, did he marry her a Ruckle?

Gordon Cudmore
No, his, Billy Patterson's sister did. Old Mrs. Ruckle was Billy Patterson's sister. There was just Billy and his sister.

Ruth Sandwell 06:26
Oh, okay.

Gordon Cudmore
So, if Billy lives to October he'll have lived on Salt Spring for exactly 100 years.

Ruth Sandwell 06:37
Yeah, I saw that he had his 100th birthday.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, we went to that party, yeah. But that was almost two years ago. This was taken at Fulford

Ruth Sandwell 06:53
What ship is that?

Gordon Cudmore
This is the Jone. It used to go around all the wharves. This here is, that's Jim Anderson, he used to live down Isabella Point, he's one of the negroes. I think that Mrs. Carrings (?) with her bonnet on and that looks like her husband jack, they used to live in the Burgoyne valley.

Ruth Sandwell 07:15
So how did the, how did the ferry run? Where did it go?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, it just went around to all the islands. You can see it there, this is Burgoyne, see it tied up here at the dock.

Ruth Sandwell 07:29
And so, it would go to Sydney?

Gordon Cudmore
I don't know about Sydney, but it comes from the mainland, comes around all the Gulf Islands Pender, Mayne, everything like that. That's it again at the Fulford.

Ruth Sandwell 07:47
So, was this before the Cy Peck?

Gordon Cudmore
Oh yeah, way before that. If you compare these two pictures, see this one was taken before there was ever anything built here, right? Then, they built this building, see it there? And this here, is the remains of this old wharf that came across here bridge. See that's all that's left over there. It came from there to the Catholic church. And this is the other side of the church where it landed. See the Catholic Church here?

Ruth Sandwell 08:30
Oh, I see, yes.

Gordon Cudmore
So, it left here from the point and it went straight across and touched there, and that eliminated this creek and this one, see there's a creek there; this fell down and then they've built it around and that's quite long bridge there. Of course, they've shortened it now shorten it now but usually there's a creek there and there's a creek here. So, by putting it this way it eliminated going across two creeks.

Ruth Sandwell 08:55
Right. Do you know when it was built?

Gordon Cudmore
No, I don't.

Ruth Sandwell 09:01
Do you know when it came down?

Gordon Cudmore
No. When we came to the island, there was another one there just, I don't know whether I brought it or not. Yeah, there it is. And that isn't the bridge. That's the wharf that went straight out. It used to be just like the Fernwood wharf, and that was still standing when we came here. And that looked exactly like this, the Fernwood wharf, you know long it is. And that went right out to deep water. And that apparently from what I was told was built in 1922.

Ruth Sandwell 09:57
Really? That's the photograph that I saw, I'm sure it wasn't of the bridge. Yeah, 1922.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, apparently the Conservative government was in power in 1922, and I understood they built it, but it was still I remember it when we came here, because Captain Drummond that lived in this house here, he had a boat and it burned up at the end of this bridge. It caught fire and burned up, and they towed the remainder the hull up underneath the bridge here and it laid there for a long time.

Ruth Sandwell 10:29
How old were you when you came?

Gordon Cudmore
So, you can see how they started out. You know? Where did that other one go? Yeah, this one. See this was taken from up behind looking out. That was taken first. Then this was taken later. This is later than the one with the bridge. Because you see the bridge is gone now. And then what they did was they added on; see that was the original one. And Walter Lasseter lived in there as a boy.

Ruth Sandwell 11:23
Oh, yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
He just passed away.

Ruth Sandwell 11:27
He used to drive people? Oh no, he had a ferry, didn't he?

Gordon Cudmore
His father did.

Ruth Sandwell 11:35
That went across to Victoria, oh yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
So that was the original. Then they added this on. I think there was a better picture wasn't there? Yeah, here, this one. Now you can see how they've added on. This was the original part. Then they've added on this side of it, put this on four rows. That's supposed to be Cliff Wakelam (?) standing there by that model T Ford, the Model T.

Ruth Sandwell 12:09
So, this burnt down.

Gordon Cudmore
This burnt down, they built another one, they used to call this the White Lodge. Some say they called it the White Lodge, some say they call it the White House.

Ruth Sandwell 12:20
Yeah, I've heard both, yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, so I don't know.

Ruth Sandwell 12:23
And then what was the next one, they rebuilt?

Gordon Cudmore
That was the Fulford Inn, they called it the Fulford Inn, they built that.

Gordon Cudmore
This is Standing (?) Kellington. And his mother used to own this hotel. And she ran, uh. There was a boy and a girl. He was the youngest. And it was a girl, Jone. And she married Rex Daikon's (?) brother. Rex Daikon's oldest brother.

Ruth Sandwell 12:57
Do you know who owned this before?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, Lasseters must have had it to start with. 'Cause that's where they lived, years ago. But I guess it's changed hands a lot of times, Pop Eton (?) used to be down there. This is the Gyves. And this one that I was saying, this fellow standing here by the Model T, he would be this girl's father. And this this one here and this one they're brothers and sisters. This is Roy (unintelligible). He went overseas all during the war. He came back without a scratch. And he was working in the gravel pit up at Hepburn's, by Hepburn's there, and the bank caved in on him and doubled him over and crimped his lower back and he's been in a wheelchair ever since. He was a big husky kid too. This is Eileen Curly, Mrs. Val Gyves, Betsy McLennan, Loreen (unintelligible), Dorris Gyves, Philis Gyves, Elmer Lee. This is Arthur Lee. He went overseas with Roy but he didn't come back; got killed over there. This is John Carens, 1932 that one was. They're good to have.

Ruth Sandwell 14:37
Those are really nice. I guess those are new reproductions, new prints that you got from the negatives?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, we got these when we'd go to school. Like the teacher would send what they call the proof home with you and if you wanted the pictures, you sent 50 cents or 25 cents or something, whatever it was at that time.

Ruth Sandwell 14:56
My children have just had that done. My daughter's in grade one. She's just, the same thing now.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah. A lot of the people didn't get the pictures and in later years they used to come to mother and borrow them and get them redone.

Ruth Sandwell 15:12
Yeah. Well, it's good. It's good to have those.

Gordon Cudmore
This is where Patterson's store now stands. That used to be the McBride farmhouse right at a farm there, and he also owned this, all Fulford pretty well. And then he owned where Pattersons now live. Bob Patterson, up in the back. Yeah, it was 160 acres, he owned both. Billy Patterson bought that 160 acres from McBride for $700. And his homeplace here from Leslie Mollets, right over to Bob Patterson's practically, all Morningside, my father bought that from McBride for $2500.

Ruth Sandwell 16:14
Do you know what ship this is here?

Gordon Cudmore
That's the Jone.

Ruth Sandwell 16:22
So, I guess at first there was nothing, there was nothing at Fulford right? It was at Beaver Point

Gordon Cudmore
No, there's always been something there. All these little places just sprung up from little farming communities. And then the boat used to be the main transportation, they used to ship apples, a lot of apples.

Ruth Sandwell 16:45
Did they mostly send them to Victoria, or did they go to the mainland?

Gordon Cudmore
No, to Vancouver I think.

Ruth Sandwell 16:53
And I guess from the store, you'd get things in from Vancouver and from Victoria to sell at the store?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, the only way we could go from Fulford to Victoria would be to go a little launch into Sydney and catch a train, there used to be a train, used to come out to Sydney wharf there. This picture here, I think it's a Cusheon Cove. And Billy Patterson says it isn't, it must be some other little bay.

Ruth Sandwell 17:30
Are they logging here?

Gordon Cudmore
That's a steam, that's the donkey with the sleigh, it was a steam donkey. See the runners there are just logs and they flattened on the top. That's the boiler there, just in case you can't use the engine.

Ruth Sandwell 17:46
Oh, yeah, and that would run. Was there a lot of logging then?

Gordon Cudmore
Oh, yeah.

Ruth Sandwell 17:53
You see it in a lot of the old photographs.

Gordon Cudmore
There's no longer on the island now to what there used to be. You know, the Nick Silvers (?) is getting all uptight about logging, he doesn't know what he's talking about. When my brother was logging here, he dumped over at Mouat's point, and he dumped 6 million feet over there in 15 months.

Ruth Sandwell 18:13
Really, when was that?

Gordon Cudmore
1950-48, well there up, I guess.

Ruth Sandwell 18:24
So did people that I saw on the back of one of those other photographs, but it was a Vancouver logging company. Is that how, how was the logging done?

Gordon Cudmore
It's individuals when the Vancouver logging company. It was, there was about 33 different people registered with the Forest Service at that time.

Ruth Sandwell 18:45
And so then where would they sell to? Where would they sell the logs?

Gordon Cudmore
All different places. I sold a lot of them to Bill McMartin in Cowichan Bay, LMK Sawmills in North Van. Marine lumber, all different places. Manning Timber Products in Victoria, they'd go all over the place.

Ruth Sandwell 19:07
So, is it still? Is it still done like that now? Like with a lot of small loggers doing it?

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, sure, oh yeah.

Ruth Sandwell 19:14
That's good. It's nice it's not been all taken over by big corporations. Oh, who's that?

Gordon Cudmore
That's Mrs. Carter from up in the Cranberry.

Ruth Sandwell 19:24
Oh, yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
I've got all the books out of the school.

Ruth Sandwell 19:29
Oh, really?

Gordon Cudmore
Cranberry school, not all the books, but I've got some of her children's books. I've gotta stack of em' bout' that high, and they're all in good condition, and the names and dates; 1921.

Ruth Sandwell 19:41
Really, are they like workbooks?

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah health book, math and all the different.

Ruth Sandwell 19:49
That's wonderful. How did you how did you get that?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, I bought their place. I owned it at one time and these books were in the house. And this buggy was still in the barn. Bout' two weeks after I bought it I went up there to get it and somebody swiped it.

Ruth Sandwell 20:05
Oh, no. What a fine picture. So I guess that's up in the cranberry I guess?

Gordon Cudmore
Mmhm. There used to be a church up in the Cranberry there. Just past Johnny Stepanik's driveway, used to be the church there. They've tried to locate the bell for that church, but they've never been able to find it.

Ruth Sandwell 20:29
Now I wondered, was there was a, there was a school up in the Cranberry was there?

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, that's where I, where the books are from, Cranberry school. They're all marked, you know the years, I never thought about it, I should have brought those.

Ruth Sandwell 20:50
Yeah well, one day that'd be great. Did the Cranberry have, I'm trying to remember if I'm thinking about the Divide school or the Cranberry school?

Gordon Cudmore
No, the Divide school was down where Wally Toine (?) lives, just where you get to his place, it burnt down. But Walter Few (?), you've heard of Walter Few have you? He passed.

Ruth Sandwell 21:11
No, I don't think I have.

Gordon Cudmore
Well, his father owned that place that Walter Toine lives in now. Walter Few and his brothers went to the Divide school.

Ruth Sandwell 21:33
I'm trying to remember if it was the Cranberry school that burnt down, and there was a new teacher, it was her first job, and then they had to move, I think they moved to the church, and had to hold classes there.

Gordon Cudmore
Well the old Cranberry school as I remember it was still standing.

Ruth Sandwell 21:51
Do you? Because it was rebuilt but I'm just not sure whether that was back around uh.

Gordon Cudmore
Because it used to be there, I remember right where it is, it's right on the corner as you go up that straight stretch pass Johnny Stepanik's, it was just on the left, you take the corner. I think there's still a lot that's still there cut off (unintelligible).

Ruth Sandwell 22:10
But the building's gone now.

Gordon Cudmore
Oh yeah. I need to get a book, an album, to sort these all out, and write on them where they're at. Cause you know you take 50 years from now, somebody will say "well where was that?".

Ruth Sandwell 22:32
That's right. No one will be able to tell.

Gordon Cudmore
That's Burgoyne Bay.

Ruth Sandwell 22:39
I always think these old, the old buildings look so much nicer than what they get replaced with.

Gordon Cudmore
Have you been in the new one they built over at the head of the harbor for a restaurant, the Cocktail Lodge (?). no

Ruth Sandwell 22:52
No.

Gordon Cudmore
There's some of these architects are so weird in the way they build. I like something built just like this you get a mountain of space. That thing there. It must be 25 feet.

Ruth Sandwell 23:04
Well, those ceilings are really big now.

Gordon Cudmore
Well just imagine a few years from now trying to dust all that, the cobwebs and dust up there.

Ruth Sandwell 23:12
No, no.

Gordon Cudmore
No, I like to see something built practical.

Ruth Sandwell 23:15
Yeah, that's right.

Gordon Cudmore
Like the Fulford Inn, they made a terrible mess of building that.

Ruth Sandwell 23:21
Yeah, that's really, I was looking at some photographs of the old Fulford Inn and it just looks so much better than what's there.

Gordon Cudmore
Oh yeah.

Ruth Sandwell 23:31
I know what else I wanted to ask you about was about the fire department in Fulford. Do you remember that? I don't know. I know that at a certain point, well, they had a volunteer fire department down there.

Gordon Cudmore
Well Balt Patterson would be the one to check on that.

Ruth Sandwell 23:45
Okay, yeah, I should talk to him.

Gordon Cudmore
Do you know Balt Patterson?

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, I don't know him but his, I've listened to his mother, and I think I should go and talk to him because he would know a lot about that I guess.

Gordon Cudmore
Well, the thing is, he was involved in it, when it first started; with him and the store there.

Ruth Sandwell 24:00
Was it, I guess it was next to the store? It was next to the store? There was the one fire engine and?

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, they built a little fire hall there where that Morning Side, studio thing whatever they call it, it used to be the fire hall.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah. See, my dad owned all that, he owned where the where the coffee bar is, coffee shop, he owned that, he owned where the oil tanks, he owned that whole thing there. My brother had a boat wage there where that studio is, you could get your boat pulled out for $5. He owned railway track from the carriage, it used to run on, it's still laying there.

Ruth Sandwell 24:24
Really?

Ruth Sandwell 24:31
I guess things have really changed a lot down there.

Gordon Cudmore
Well, this picture here was taken just behind the coffee shop, that's my brother on the raft without a tie.

Ruth Sandwell 25:05
What a great picture.

Gordon Cudmore
That's right behind the coffee house, see it's all filled in now, there used to be a nice little shell, clamshell beach there and that this is right behind the studio thing that they have, Morning Side and the tanks are up here. See there's a rock here, they filled right over that rock.

Ruth Sandwell 25:29
Yeah. So, did you work as a logger? That's what you mostly did, you didn't?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, I did building first; fishing, logging. I tried a little of everything.

Ruth Sandwell 25:47
Yeah, what kind of fishing did you do?

Gordon Cudmore
Cod fishing, I had a cod boat.

Ruth Sandwell 25:55
And building, did you build houses?

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, I've got built quite a few in Fulford. (unintelligible) I've got a picture of any of it with me. I built the chimney in this old building, it's so different looking here now but it was originally built for Edison Harker, one was a plumber and the other was electrician. And they got me that I built a chimney for them on the weekends. I don't know whether it's still standing here or not, it used to be.

Ruth Sandwell 26:31
Is it in this building or the one next door?

Gordon Cudmore
I don't know which one, do you know which one was a (unintelligible)?

Ruth Sandwell 26:42
No.

Gordon Cudmore
It was on this side of the building. It had a basement in it, because I'm starting the chimney right from the basement floor, it was 16 feet to the upstairs ceiling and then on out.

Ruth Sandwell 26:58
Was that the same Beddis as you know?

Gordon Cudmore
Eddie Beddis' father, yeah. Beddis and Harker. And they had plumbing and electrical in the store. Now that's Cusheon cove when they were building it, the mill.

Ruth Sandwell 27:23
Did you hear anything about the wharf, at Cusheon cove?

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, there used to be a big wharf there and the (unintelligible) ate it off and it fell down, yeah. I heard someone say that there was pretty near a million feet of lumber piled on it and when it collapsed.

Ruth Sandwell 27:37
And that would all be lost would it, or did they just fetch it back out again?

Gordon Cudmore
I guess they could salvage some of it, yeah.

Ruth Sandwell 27:41
But it was cut lumber.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, it was all sawed and ready to be loaded up. I dumped blogs used to boom logs in this little bay, I still think this must be Cusheon cove. Harry Nichols (?) had a lot of good old pictures too. And we were talking about exchanging a bunch. And he told me to come out sometime and I phoned him, and he said it was a bad time now he got company, maybe some other time.

Gordon Cudmore
But then he never ever phoned me back and then he died.

Ruth Sandwell 28:23
Oh dear. Well,

Gordon Cudmore
But he wouldn't like some of these old ones that I had.

Ruth Sandwell 28:30
Yeah, well you know what, I bet if I talked to Mary she can take, she can get negatives from these can't she, without doing any harm.

Gordon Cudmore
Well, if I looked through it I probably have some negatives because I always keep them if I have them redone. The most expensive part is having the negatives redone.

Ruth Sandwell 28:50
That's right, yeah it can be really costly. Because they, yeah, you've got some really good ones, really nice ones. Could I look at these and?

Gordon Cudmore
oh, I think that might be just old family pictures. That's my father.

Ruth Sandwell 29:16
May 1936.

Ruth Sandwell 29:16
Yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah. That's him again. That's him shooting, he used to like to shoot (unintelligible). That was actually taken in Ferndale, Washington. That's my brother. When they had the amateur boxing here on the island, he got involved in it. I don't know what he'd be there, nine or ten maybe.

Gordon Cudmore
Doesn't say his age though does it?

Ruth Sandwell 29:57
No, do you remember when he was born?

Gordon Cudmore
He would've weighed eighty pounds (both laugh). Oh yeah, May the 8th 1936 and he was, he was 15 months older than me. And I was born February the first 1925. And he was older than you. Yeah, 15 months older than me.

Ruth Sandwell 30:12
Must be around twelve.

Gordon Cudmore
Oh yeah, I've written on the back of it.

Ruth Sandwell 30:51
That's great.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah. Some of them (unintelligible) I do that sometimes. Yeah, This is Mrs. Dave Maxwell. You know who Maxwell's mountain's named after? She was a Treggie (?)

Ruth Sandwell 31:12
Oh really?

Gordon Cudmore
It was her brother that built that building at Fulford

Ruth Sandwell 31:17
Really?

Gordon Cudmore
Patterson's. (tape stops here, then restarts)

Ruth Sandwell 31:21
Uh huh.

Gordon Cudmore
Marina, he's building a windmill, well that's where Curleys lived. And Eileen's father, he got lost at sea. He was a West Coast fisherman. He went out one fall and never came back.

Ruth Sandwell 31:40
So the Treggies used to own a lot of a lot of property around uh?

Gordon Cudmore
Mrs. Treggie's father owned a lot, you know, below Morningside Road. That's Mrs. Maxwell, which her maiden name was Treggie. That's Mrs. Curley. I don't know her maiden name. And that's my mother. Her maiden name was Elsie Mackenzie. This is Mrs. Daikon which is Rex Daikon's... Rex should be in one of these school pictures.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah. This This lady is Rex's mother. This is the son of Mrs. Maxwell. That's Carl Maxwell. This is John French, Billy Carens, Roy Wakelam. Elderly Arthur Lee, Arthur Lee was lost overseas.

Ruth Sandwell 32:58
You do better than I do with my school photographs from (unintelligible). Some of them I can get and sometimes the name just springs to mind

Gordon Cudmore
My brother doesn't remember them. You know you talk about different ones. Yeah. Like there's Ted Vings he used to live in Fulford he's not on the photograph. But I mentioned him one day and he never heard of him, never heard of him at all.

Ruth Sandwell 33:23
Yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
This is Margaret O'Flynn, her father used to live in Patterson's building that we moved in. After we moved out then we started the ferry and her father (unintelligible) the engineer and he lived in Paterson's store in the back of that building across the road from where they're at now. It was just her and her brother Harry. She committed suicide.

Ruth Sandwell 33:50
Oh really? Was she very old? What she, did she do that when she was very old?

Gordon Cudmore
Well she was married and her marriage didn't work out. She married a postman and he got caught stealing out of it and she was a girl that everything was gonna be just perfect in her marriage and it didn't work out that way and she couldn't handle it. This one got killed overseas and that's Roy. Rex's gone, Buzzy's gone. So this one's gone, that one's gone. This one's gone. This one's in a wheelchair. This one's gone.

Ruth Sandwell 34:31
Do you remember any of these?

Gordon Cudmore
Well, this would be Margaret Flynn. Dorothy Aikens, her father was a guard on Piers Island when they had the Doukhobors there.

Ruth Sandwell 34:48
See, I heard about the Doukhobors.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, they were Piers Island and her father was a guard there. And they lived at Fulford and the ferry used to run to Piers Island. Yeah. So he could go back and forth, you know, when he was off shift he got on the ferry and come home.

Ruth Sandwell 35:04
I heard people saying that they could hear that the Doukhobors like singing and chanting as they, as they went to Piers Island. What were they doing there? What was the Doukhobors doing? Did they have a settlement on Piers Island?

Gordon Cudmore
Oh, no, they were they had a prison camp there for them.

Ruth Sandwell 35:18
Oh, really? Was that during the war?

Gordon Cudmore
No, it was just before I guess. But they, they used to take all their clothes off and march and march through the towns for demonstrations, so they just gathered them all up and put them over there.

Ruth Sandwell 35:33
Really? How long did they stay?

Gordon Cudmore
I don't know, I don't remember how long they operated it. There was big buildings and camp. Charlie Horel's mother was a prison guard for the women's department there, for quite a while.

Ruth Sandwell 35:55
So it must have been quite a few years they were there then I guess.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, it ran for quite a while. This was one of the Gyves girls.

Ruth Sandwell 36:03
Do you remember which one?

Gordon Cudmore
Deana. And then this is Rosemary French. She's up in the interior somewhere now. And this is Phillis Gyves, Mariel Ross. She used to be a tumbler, her and her sister used to be quite active at it. And this is my brother Walter. And that's John Carens, which is a brother to this one. And this is Agnes Carens, which they're brother and sister and this is Marge, it was two girls and two boys. This one's married to Loddie Reynolds (?), that's me there, this is Ernie Brenton, Agnes Carens, Laureen Wakelam. This is the sister to this woman (?). And that's Eileen, Dorris Gyves, Charlie Brenton, Pat May, Lionel (?) Justice. Do you remember hearing about Molly Justice being murdered in Victoria? They never found out who her killer was, they figured it was a woman but..

Ruth Sandwell 37:15
When was that?

Gordon Cudmore
It was not long after they left the island, I guess it was his younger sister.

Ruth Sandwell 37:36
Really? I wanted to ask you about this.

Gordon Cudmore
Oh, that's just a (laughter), I don't know how that got in there, that's an old picture of Victoria Spencers when he first started delivering groceries. See on the side there. Spencer's Limited? That's her store. Well, I guess it speaks for itself anyway doesn't it? The old prices would be interesting to see what, you know like a lot of people talk about things being expensive now but the way it's still going you know like land for example. When we first came here you could have bought land for 50 cents an acre.

Ruth Sandwell 38:24
Yeah. Well, it's always hard to try to find out about, because people forget about wages you know and how whenever I hear people talking about prices of things oh and you could get it so cheap but then they don't say that that's what people earned.

Gordon Cudmore
I bought an ice cream here in Ganges the other day and I said I'll have a small one. It was $1.25, when we had the store, we used to sell a scoop for a nickel.

Ruth Sandwell 38:49
I remember getting ice cream, a small scoop, for a nickel when I was growing up. I should have got a child sized cone.

Gordon Cudmore
We used to sell canned corned beef, Grade A corned beef, one-pound tins a square tin with a key on the side of it that used to wind it open - nine cents a tin. And my mother said it used to be a lot cheaper than that.

Ruth Sandwell 39:21
Oh, really so that was the high price?

Gordon Cudmore
That was later on you know probably when I was this age when I was talking about it

Ruth Sandwell 39:28
In the store did you sell like fresh meat and vegetables from around?

Gordon Cudmore
He brought the post. He had the post office; he had the Shell Oil. I've got some pictures of the front of our store with a gas pump, the old shell gas pump and a big sign over the top "Cudmore Store Shell Oil"

Ruth Sandwell 39:48
Did you say you said that your dad's, he started that store right?

Gordon Cudmore
yeah he built it in 1929, Mrs. Mitchell’s (?) Fred helped build it.

Ruth Sandwell 40:08
Yeah

Gordon Cudmore
This was my aunt, that's where I got this picture, from my aunt. She was going through some old pictures and thought we might like to have it, so she sent it down.

Gordon Cudmore
That's her son Larry. About 1930. He's a big farmer up in Kamloops.

Ruth Sandwell 40:22
Who's that?

Ruth Sandwell 40:23
That must have been quite something for your dad to have gone from fishing and things to going to opening a store.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah. He used to gill net on the Fraser River they pulled the nets by hand then. She had Susie Mackenzie. My mother's maiden name is Mackenzie, so she was married to my mother's brother.

Ruth Sandwell 41:03
Oh yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
She might be still living I don't know. A good age if she is. But he's gone, Scott died fairly young of a heart attack.

Ruth Sandwell 41:21
You know, it would be, I know the archives would love to get some copies of his photographs and especially, especially if you know, did what you said in like, say what who the people are and where the locations are. You know, what I looked at recently, this is what this reminds me of, the Reverend Wilson. When he was on the island, he kept a wonderful scrapbook and photograph album, which, which now Peggy Tolson who works at the archives she, she now has, and that's he made the scrapbook and then they photocopied it all, you know, for the archives, so they have all these really nice photographs. He also it was around the turn of the century, he had a lot of sketches that he'd drawn himself of his house and of his children's houses, he even has floor plans and there, he was really, he was really quite a very good for posterity, for learning about things.

Gordon Cudmore
Pat Lee has got all these, he borrowed them, the negative off me, I had the negatives redone, I didn't think it was nice to put it in Toynbee's book and him take the credit for it. It should have been in Shawn's name.

Ruth Sandwell 42:37
Yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
They still live here in Ganges Hill.

Ruth Sandwell 42:41
Yeah,

Gordon Cudmore
They'd be worth interviewing if you could Kree (?) is the youngest girl, they're all, that's the ones I bought the farm from and that's the ones I got these pictures from and I mean, I didn't I didn't get all their pictures. I just ordered some that I thought I'd might be interested; they have a terrific amount of them.

Ruth Sandwell 43:02
I should, yeah, I should talk to Mary and see, she's been in touch with him. Felix is a scavenger you know going around to find out about people, but it's you know, it's such a valuable historical, you know, these things can't be replaced.

Gordon Cudmore
Well, it's interesting you know, people you know, we're gonna all be gone someday and there's others have gone. I've talked to a lot of old timers like old Tom Pappenburger. He was an old and I noticed father, John Pappenburger. And Tom said he used to bring the cream from Ruckle's farm come all the way through the Burgoyne Valley. And he got $4 for a full day, and he had to walk with a team all the way up over Lee's Hill down here to the you know where the old bakery is and that used to be the butter place where they made butter

Gordon Cudmore
Oh yeah, yeah. Jim Akerman is at Fulford right now, he used to make the cream, he worked in there. I think Drake ran it and then when he retired, then Jim ran it til' it closed. Jim could be well worth. That's Bob Akerman's brother. He's older than Bob. I think, but he'd be interesting to talk to.

Ruth Sandwell 43:55
And that was really good butter they had.

Ruth Sandwell 44:21
Yeah, he would with that. Yeah, actually Bob Akerman has given us a tape and he's talked a little bit about how hard his brother worked on that. At the creamery there. You know, very early hours and long, long days.

Gordon Cudmore
Yeah, it used to come through valley. He's sure different than Bob. Jim would be go by our place at seven o'clock in the morning and Bob would be still in bed at eleven o'clock. Because sometimes if the weather was nice in the summertime, we used to catch a ride with them, you know the kids you're always up early anyway and Dad always had the store open at seven o'clock in the morning. He had the store from seven in the morning till eleven o'clock at night, he had the pool room in the basement. And my brother was playing with dad's gun the 44.40, upstairs, the pool room was down below, and he let the gun off and it shot through the floor and hit the pool table. (unintelligible). Slate, it was a slate pool table, and the cloth was all shattered.

Ruth Sandwell 45:27
Bet he got into some trouble for that.

Gordon Cudmore
Well, actually Dad was the one that should've been in trouble because he came in from hunting and he never took the shells out of the gun. And my brother was pumping it. You know, we had 30.30 right. And I guess he, luckily, he had it, it was in the evening. And Dad was in the store waiting on some people and the door, the doorway came through here like, and I was sitting on Mother's knee by the stove and she was reading a bedtime story.

Ruth Sandwell 46:00
Yeah.

Gordon Cudmore
And I was sitting on (unintelligible) and when the gun went off she (unintelligible) near threw me off by the floor. (unintelligible) in the house, all silent, she's patiently looking at the book reading me a story then all of a sudden right beside her. He was standing right alongside her. She didn't even know he was there. And I guess he was playing with it. Pulled the trigger and bang, you can imagine one going off in this room.

Ruth Sandwell 46:24
No one was hurt.

Gordon Cudmore
Oh no. Luckily, nobody was playing pool.

Gordon Cudmore
This is Bob Akerman's sister and Jim's sister, that little girl there. Pree Shaw (?) went to school with Molly, they were in the same grade at school. But that's one you know would be. Another one that might have some pictures to do with the old ferry of Fulford would be Alisson Maud. Do you know her at all?

Ruth Sandwell 47:03
Maud? Um, I've heard of her.

Gordon Cudmore
She's an old maid, she's just living on her own. She's always glad to have company, or somebody to talk to. She might have some pictures. But I looked at the negatives of a lot of these if I was to dig them out. That's a job a person should do in the winter.

Ruth Sandwell 47:29
Yeah. Where's this one here?

Gordon Cudmore
That's Vesuvius. That's the old Vesuvius hotel. My dad said he could've bought that for $1500 one time. He went and looked at it, too much money.

Ruth Sandwell 47:46
It just breaks your heart when you hear them saying that.

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
So that's okay. Oh I see so nice to be able to tell me why and these photographs from that from the job from

Unknown Speaker 0:08
from this little girl on the pictures Molly Aikman she married Howard Carlos used to teach again to school I don't know what year this would be just getting back

Unknown Speaker 0:31
and then this post off it used to be there and then it was moved from there down to the white botch it was moved to this picture showing, you know, move there. Then follow the name of puppy ran and then he got the job of being a postmaster again Geez. Oh, yeah. So he moved up here. And then my father moved to post office from this white lodge over to where it is today at Fulford wharf.

Unknown Speaker 1:08
So there were two post offices right on the end.

Unknown Speaker 1:14
There was one again, she's one of the Fulford and when they will find out that the federal government discontinued the one at Beaver point, but they had rumors around Patterson's had moved post dollars from Beaver point. Delta Fulford which is not true. My father moved it from Lake Lodge to head of Fulford harbour over which dinero

Unknown Speaker 1:37
did they move it because of the ferry service?

Unknown Speaker 1:40
No, just my father put in for it. Oh, yeah. And there's several people put in for it. But the war veteran always got it ahead of somebody else. Yeah, we're services that because it's a federal government

Unknown Speaker 2:06
that's my father there. Here's one it's really

Unknown Speaker 2:12
weird. So your father came here in 1927?

Unknown Speaker 2:16
The spring of 1927.

Unknown Speaker 2:19
So what brought him here?

Unknown Speaker 2:22
Well, I used to live in Sydney and her house burned down. So then they used to gill net on the Fraser River. So he had a boat so I can move around. The islands easily moved forward and rented a place there that Bailey Patterson own building there. Where are you meant to store for goodness years, but not where the story is right now? Well, it was right across the road from the story runs now. My brother and my uncle built that for a garage and then later was converted into a store and Patterson's purchased my father was responsible for bringing Shell Oil to salt.

Unknown Speaker 3:11
Does the old the old pumps

Unknown Speaker 3:14
Yeah, I have. I have an old picture. I don't have it with me but I have an old picture of the Shell oil pump in front of the general store, which is now at a coffee shop at the ferry terminal.

Unknown Speaker 3:26
Right. That's the

Unknown Speaker 3:27
window telling you my father built making 29 and opening a store. Then Patterson's open the store across the road a year later that Adolf draggy built the building that we rented when we came to solve it 1927 So where did you live when you first first came to Fulford we lived in the building the pattern alone. Adolf treyvion built it and ran it for a store just a short time. And then when it goes down and Patterson bought the building and my father rented the building for Patterson 27 and 29 he felt across the road he bought property from falling in McBride

Unknown Speaker 4:26
shapers lake

Unknown Speaker 4:36
was placed

Unknown Speaker 4:38
there. Let's look her she's uncle's house. Mr. Harrison and Mrs. Hughes owns the property right now that houses tore down and rebuilt. Luke lived in that for quite a while. That's a big barn

Unknown Speaker 5:01
This is il burgling school

Unknown Speaker 5:08
can you tell what year this would be?

Unknown Speaker 5:13
I'd say that somebody's making 28 Model A for

Unknown Speaker 5:19
28th 29th They used to have just like two doors

Unknown Speaker 5:26
for some event dispatch where this picture was taken I think it would take them on that far side of it their belly Patterson went to the school I've seen a picture of him at the school. You probably have one here somewhere. Yeah. He came to Salt Springs when he was two years old. And he came to the farm and married because his father died and his mother very one believes which already had a family. Yeah, little ball that was the least

Unknown Speaker 6:09
I can know. And so he did he marry a rack up below his

Unknown Speaker 6:17
belly Paschal sister did. Okay. Okay. Well, my son Rocco was Billy Patterson sister. They were just Billy and his sister.

Unknown Speaker 6:26
Oh, okay.

Unknown Speaker 6:29
So, Billy lives to October. halen lived on Saltspring for exactly 100 years.

Unknown Speaker 6:37
Because he I saw that he tells him to his 100th birthday.

Unknown Speaker 6:42
Yeah, we went to a party here but I was almost two years ago yeah

Unknown Speaker 6:50
this has taken a Fulford what's shift is that there's just a job it used to be around or this here's the desk commander she used to live down metabolically.

Unknown Speaker 7:09
Think that's Mrs Carrie which was a bonus that looks like her husband Jack. They used to live in the burbs.

Unknown Speaker 7:15
So how did the How did the ferry run did it Where did it go? It

Unknown Speaker 7:20
just it went around all the island you can see it there and this is burgling he had tied up here

Unknown Speaker 7:29
and so it would go to

Unknown Speaker 7:33
I don't know about Sydney from from the mainland come around Pender main that's it again

Unknown Speaker 7:47
so is this before the the side pack?

Unknown Speaker 7:49
Oh yeah way before

Unknown Speaker 7:55
if you compare these two pictures see this one was taken before there was ever anything built here then they built this building this here is the remains of this old warfare came across here rich see that souls came from their Catholic Church and this is the other side of the church where they see the Catholic Church here. Oh, I see the left here from the point and it went straight across and touch there and that'll eliminate a discrete initial see there's a creek there this fell down and then they've built it around and that's quite a long bridge there with the shortcut now but usually there's a creek there and there's a creek here. So by putting it this way It eliminated going across to Creek.

Unknown Speaker 8:56
Do you know when it was built? No I don't. When do you know when it came down?

Unknown Speaker 9:04
When when we came to the island there was another one there just

Unknown Speaker 9:31
you that's that isn't the bridge. That's the wharf that went straight out. There used to be just like the Fernwood Wharf, and that was still standing when we came here. And that looked exactly like the first one. Net one right out to deep water that apparently from what I was told was built in 1922.

Unknown Speaker 9:59
That's the photograph As Tom shared wasn't secure age 1922

Unknown Speaker 10:05
correctly the Conservative government was in power in 1922 and I understood they build it but it was still I remember when we came here because Captain Drummond lived in this house here he had a boat and it burned up at the end of this bridge caught fire and burned up then they towed the remainder the hole up underneath the bridge here and it laid there for a long time.

Unknown Speaker 10:27
How old are you How old were you when you came to believe better

Unknown Speaker 10:41
can see how they started out? You know

Unknown Speaker 10:59
see this was taken behind looking at was taken first then this was taken later. This is later than the one with the bridge

Unknown Speaker 11:12
couldn't see the bridge is gone.

Unknown Speaker 11:16
And then what they did was they added on to that was original. The Walter Lasseter lived in there as a boy who just passed away

Unknown Speaker 11:27
he used to drive people in on a he had an affair he didn't his father didn't Scottish. Victoria,

Unknown Speaker 11:36
so that was original then they added this on Oh yeah. I think there was a better picture there. Yeah, here Oh, yeah. You can see how they've added on this was original part. Then they've added on this side of it

Unknown Speaker 12:01
that's supposed to be Cliff wakelam Stand on there by that model for the Model T

Unknown Speaker 12:09
so this burnt down this

Unknown Speaker 12:11
just burned down they built another one was sick this used to call this the white lodge something called a white light some say they call the White House Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 12:23
And then what was the next one they rebuilt was

Unknown Speaker 12:26
a full for called it the full for them

Unknown Speaker 12:33
this this is standard Kelly. And his mother used to own this hotel. Oh really? She rammed up there was a boy and a girl. You see him and it was a girl Joe? And she married Rex daikons brother, Rex take his oldest brother

Unknown Speaker 12:56
Do you know who I wanted to know who owned this before?

Unknown Speaker 13:01
Well last hitters must have had at the start. Because that's where they live years ago, but I guess it's changed hands a lot of time. Coffee used to be down there. This is the chives. And this one though, since the fella standing here by the Model T he would be this girl's father. And this this one here and this one their brother and sisters this is running away. He went overseas all during the war. He came back but out of Scratch. He was working in a gravel pit up heparins My efforts there and the bank caved in on him and doubled them over and crimped his lower back and he'd been in a wheelchair for six

Unknown Speaker 13:59
years the big Husky kid

Unknown Speaker 14:07
Shailene curly. Mrs. Valve dies. Betsy McLennan during Lakeland fellas jive. Elmer Lee Mrs. Arthur Lee. He went overseas with Roy but in combat. This is John Kerry making 32.

Unknown Speaker 14:35
Good to have.

Unknown Speaker 14:36
Those are really nice. I guess those are new reproductions new prints that you got from the negatives?

Unknown Speaker 14:43
Well, we got these one. We got to school. Yeah. Like the teacher send what they call the proof home with you. And if you wanted the pictures you said 50 century, centrism whatever it was that

Unknown Speaker 14:56
my children had just had that 10 daughter. My daughter said grade one. She's just the same thing. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 15:04
A lot a lot of the people didn't get the pictures and then later years they used to come to mother or read up. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 15:13
Well it's good. It's good to have

Unknown Speaker 15:27
this is where Patterson store no Stan that used to be a big Brian farmos is right at a farm there. And he also on this Fulford pretty well. And then he owned where Patterson now live Bob Patterson opened about 160 acres he owned both really Patterson bought that 160 acres from McBride $700 in his home place here from Leslie mall and right over to to Bob Patterson specfically Morningside my father bought that from the bride for $2,500

Unknown Speaker 16:14
What What ship this is here

Unknown Speaker 16:17
refer to no that's the job

Unknown Speaker 16:22
so I guess at first there was nothing there was nothing at Folkert right was it beaver point and

Unknown Speaker 16:29
consumption there like

Unknown Speaker 16:34
foliage little places just sprung up from little farming communities. And then the boat Q boat used to be the main transportation right around your ship apples.

Unknown Speaker 16:45
Today mostly sunny to Victoria or did they go to

Unknown Speaker 16:48
Vancouver? I think

Unknown Speaker 16:53
I guess from the store you'd get things in from Vancouver and from Victoria to sell at the store.

Unknown Speaker 17:00
Well, the only way I could go from Fulford to Victoria would be to go and launch into Sydney right into the train is to train us to come out to Sydney worth this picture here I think it's Cushing gold but Billy Patterson says addition to it must be some other level

Unknown Speaker 17:30
they logging here are they that's a

Unknown Speaker 17:32
that's a steam has a built here because the slave was a steam dokie see that runners there are just logs they flattened on the top.

Unknown Speaker 17:43
Yes, boiler. They're just pictures. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Was there a lot of a lot of logging. A lot of the old

Unknown Speaker 17:54
photograph, there's no login and Ireland out or what there used to be. Nikhil was getting all uptight about love and he didn't know there was my brother would log in here. Don't pull the Lord's plate nude up 6 million feet over there in 15 months

Unknown Speaker 18:13
really? Really, when? When was

Unknown Speaker 18:19
it 48? Well, they're up I guess.

Unknown Speaker 18:24
So did people that I saw on the back of one of those other photographs that it was a Vancouver logging company? Is that how was the logging done?

Unknown Speaker 18:35
Individuals wouldn't the Vancouver logging company that was there was about 33 Different people registered with the Forest Service at that time.

Unknown Speaker 18:44
And so then where would they sell to? Where would they sell the logs?

Unknown Speaker 18:50
All different places. I saw a lot of them to filming Martin couch and Bay LMK sawmills north of them. Marine lumber of different places. Manning timber products in Victoria they go.

Unknown Speaker 19:07
So is it still? Is it still done like that now?

Unknown Speaker 19:14
That's good. It's nice. It's not been all taken off the big corporations.

Unknown Speaker 19:20
Oh, that's Mrs. Carter from up in the cranberry. Oh, yeah. I've got all the books out of the school. Oh, remember school, not not all the books, but I've got some of her children's books. I got to stack them both that high and they're all in good condition and the names and dates, like the 21

Unknown Speaker 19:43
workbooks or the

Unknown Speaker 19:45
health book, math and different problem. That's

Unknown Speaker 19:49
wonderful. How did you how did you get that?

Unknown Speaker 19:52
Well, I bought their place. They order one time and these books were in the house. And this buggy was still in the barn But two weeks after I bought it I went up there to get it and somebody swiped

Unknown Speaker 20:09
my fine picture so I guess that's happened the cranberry I guess that's

Unknown Speaker 20:14
used to be a church up to cover just to just pass Johnny's dependence driveway used to be the church there they've tried to locate the bell for that church but they've never been able to find it

Unknown Speaker 20:29
I wonder was there there was a school up in the ground

Unknown Speaker 20:36
where the books are from cranberry school they're all marked but you know the years I never thought about I should have Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 20:52
that's great. The to the cranberry how to remember if I'm thinking about the divide school or the grounders so

Unknown Speaker 20:59
there's a divide school is down or volley to all lives Okay, so that's where you get to his patient burned down. But Walter few we've heard of all too few

Unknown Speaker 21:11
no

Unknown Speaker 21:14
his father on that place at Walter few Walter tois lives in no

Unknown Speaker 21:25
water few brothers who went to divine school

Unknown Speaker 21:33
I'm trying to remember if it was a grammar school that burnt down and there was a new teacher with her first job and then they had to move I think they moved to the church and had to hold classes there

Unknown Speaker 21:48
well, we will cover school I remember it

Unknown Speaker 21:51
was rebuilt but I'm just not sure whether that was back around.

Unknown Speaker 21:57
Because it used to be there and remember right where it is right on the corner should go up that straight stretch pass go nice to Penix just on the left you take the corner I think there's still a lot you're still there cut off

Unknown Speaker 22:10
the dead buildings gone now

Unknown Speaker 22:17
but I need to get an album uncertainties all out and right on and we're going to take 50 years and also Asian workers that

Unknown Speaker 22:31
that's right and no one will be able to tell

Unknown Speaker 22:39
I always think these old the old buildings look so much nicer than what they get replaced with.

Unknown Speaker 22:48
The new one they built over the head of the harbor for a restaurant No. There's some of these architecture so weird and with a meal I liked just like this you get the wealth of the space. That thing there it's must be

Unknown Speaker 23:03
25 feet on the ceiling. So really

Unknown Speaker 23:07
imagine a few years from now trying to dust all that the cobwebs and dust. No, no, I like to see something built practical like the full front end and mid a terrible myth of building.

Unknown Speaker 23:21
Yeah, that's really I was looking at some photographs of the old four foot in and it just looks so much better than what else I wanted to ask you about was about the fire department in Fulford. Do you remember that? I don't know. I know that at a certain point. Well, they had a volunteer fire department.

Unknown Speaker 23:41
Tattershall to be the one to check on.

Unknown Speaker 23:45
Okay. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I don't know him but he's, I've listened to his mother and I think I should go and talk to him because he's with normal adult guests.

Unknown Speaker 24:00
As he was involved in it, first started what's happened the store there

Unknown Speaker 24:08
was it I guess it was next to the store? It was it was next to the store. There was the one fire engine and

Unknown Speaker 24:16
yeah, they built a little fire hall there where that Morningside studio thing wherever they call it would be the fire hall. Where she My dad owned all he owed where the where the coffee bar is coffee shop appeal and that the over the world tanks on the whole thing there. My brother had a boat wage there where the studio is to get your boat pulled up for $5 He'll railway track from from the carriage used to run on his still named

Unknown Speaker 24:55
because things have really changed a lot

Unknown Speaker 24:58
less this year Here's taken right behind the coffee shop and rather on the raft

Unknown Speaker 25:05
what a great picture.

Unknown Speaker 25:06
That's right behind the coffee I see it's all filled in a nice little shell clam shell beach there this is right behind the studio takes up here

Unknown Speaker 25:26
there's a rock here they feel right out over that rock

Unknown Speaker 25:32
so did you work as a as a lawyer that's what you that's what you mostly did you didn't

Unknown Speaker 25:40
want to I did building first fishing trend Little Bear with me?

Unknown Speaker 25:47
Yeah What kind of fishing did to do? Or cod fishing and building she builds houses

Unknown Speaker 25:59
yeah I've got quite a few of them full picture I built a chimney in the salt building so different looking here no but it was originally built for Edison Harker one was a plumber and Elliot was electrician

Unknown Speaker 26:25
and it got me to build a chimney for them on a weekend I don't know whether it's still standing here now it used to be

Unknown Speaker 26:31
in this building or one next door

Unknown Speaker 26:36
I don't know which one you know which one was a plumbing store knows on this side of the building had a basement in cuz I'm discharging the chimney right from the basement floor or 16 feet upstairs ceiling and it

Unknown Speaker 26:58
was that the same bed as as you know

Unknown Speaker 27:02
father that is darker and they had plumbing and electrical

Unknown Speaker 27:20
yeah that's Christian cool when they were building as the mill

Unknown Speaker 27:23
Did you hear anything about the war Christian called

Unknown Speaker 27:27
a big warfare in a treat it was laid it off it filled out I heard some say that was pretty near million feet of lumber piled on collapsed

Unknown Speaker 27:37
and that was I'll be honest with it or just stepped back

Unknown Speaker 27:40
I guess they could salvage so

Unknown Speaker 27:42
it was cut lumber so I'm ready

Unknown Speaker 27:45
to be loaded

Unknown Speaker 27:48
I don't logs used to boot logs in this little bay I still think this must be crashing

Unknown Speaker 28:06
Terry Nichols had a lot of good pictures too. And we were talking about exchanging a bunch and he told me to come out sometime and I phoned him and he said was a bad time got company maybe some other time but then he ever before me back and then he died well, but he would like some of these

Unknown Speaker 28:31
Well, you know I bet if if I talked to Mary She can take she can get negatives from these caches without doing any harm.

Unknown Speaker 28:41
Well if I look through it I probably have some negatives because I always keep them flat and redone the most expensive parts have a negative

Unknown Speaker 28:54
because they got some really good ones really nice ones here. Can I look at these and

Unknown Speaker 29:06
I think you're just all family pictures. That's what father

Unknown Speaker 29:16
yeah

Unknown Speaker 29:23
that's him shooting he used to like to shoot. That's later years. I wish I could take it in Ferndale, Washington.

Unknown Speaker 29:35
That's my brother.

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Trip auction here on the island.

Unknown Speaker 29:42
I don't know what he'd be there diner 1030 36.

Unknown Speaker 29:55
Don't say his age.

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No to remember when he was pulling

Unknown Speaker 29:58
your weight at The pope may 8 1936.

Unknown Speaker 30:08
And he was 15 months older than me. I was born in February the first 1925.

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And he was

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15 months older

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so

Unknown Speaker 30:49
I have written on the back of it. That's great. Good. Yeah. Some of them do that sometimes.

Unknown Speaker 31:04
This is Mrs. Dave maxvill. Named after she was she used to be she was a Trekkie. Oh really? It was her brother that built that building at Fulford. Patterson Marina Oh yes, building a windmill. Less we're currently live. And Eileen, father he got lost at sea. He was a West Coast fisherman. He went out one fall never came back

Unknown Speaker 31:40
so the traders used to own a lot of a lot of property around

Unknown Speaker 31:45
Mr. Trump his father. Morning so that's Mrs. Mrs. Maxwell that your maiden name was tricky. That's Mrs. Curley. I don't know her maiden name and that's my mother. Her maiden name was Elsie Mackenzie. This is Mrs. Daikon which is Rex Daikon the school pictures

Unknown Speaker 32:29
Yeah, this lady is Rex's mother this son Carl This is John French really carry right away. Elderly Arthur Lee earthly was last overseas

Unknown Speaker 32:58
he did better than I do like my skull photographs. Some of them I can get and sometimes the name just springs to mind

Unknown Speaker 33:06
brother doesn't remember the title but differently. Like there's Ted things used to live with Fulford he's not on the photograph.

Unknown Speaker 33:18
But I mentioned him one day and he never heard of Mrs. Margo Flynn her father used to live in Patterson's building that we moved in. After we moved out. Then we started the ferry and her father Ken Ward, the engineer and he lived in Paterson store in the back of that building across the road from where they're at now. It was just hurting her brother Harry. She committed suicide

Unknown Speaker 33:52
was she very proud of what she did she do that when she was very old.

Unknown Speaker 33:57
But she was married and your marriage didn't work out. She married a postman and he got caught stealing out of it. She was a girl that everything was gonna be just perfect and her marriage didn't work out that way and she couldn't

Unknown Speaker 34:16
get killed overseas and that's why Rex is gone, but he's gone. So this would go that one's gone. This one's gone. This was in a wheelchair. This one's gone.

Unknown Speaker 34:31
Do you remember any of these?

Unknown Speaker 34:40
There should be Margot Flynn. Dorothy Aikens. Her father was a guard appears ilevel Nana Dukkha bars.

Unknown Speaker 34:48
The eye heard about the two boys

Unknown Speaker 34:52
and her father was a guard there and they lived at Fulford inferiors to run to Parris Island. So He could go back and forth, you know, to go on the ferry come home.

Unknown Speaker 35:04
I heard people saying that they could hear that the Duke or Boris like singing and chanting as they as they went to Parris Island. What were they doing there? What was the Duke? Of course doing? Did they have a settlement on Pearson? Oh,

Unknown Speaker 35:16
no, they were they had a prison camp there for the

Unknown Speaker 35:18
freely was that during the war?

Unknown Speaker 35:21
No, just before. But when they did, they used to take all their clothes off and marched to the demonstrations. So they just gathered them all up and put them over there.

Unknown Speaker 35:35
How long did they stay? I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 35:37
Remember how long they operated. But there was big buildings and camp. Trolley halls mother was a prison guard for the women's department

Unknown Speaker 35:55
so it must have been quite a few years.

Unknown Speaker 35:58
Yeah, it run for quite a while. This was one of the jives girls data and then this is Rosemary French. She's an interior so this is Phyllis Jaya. Marielle Ross. She used to be a tumblers her new sister used to be quite active This is my brother John Karen. Which is a brother to this this is Agnes Karen. Which your brother and sister and this is March it was two girls two boys this was married to lot era

Unknown Speaker 36:46
that's been there

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this is Brett Agnes Carrie learning this is a sister to this

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Charlie may label justice

Unknown Speaker 37:13
get over here no Molly justice spin murders in Victoria are killer was they figured it was a woman left the island I guess it was his younger sister

Unknown Speaker 37:36
to ask you about this

Unknown Speaker 37:39
oh that's just getting there that's an old picture of Victoria. Spencers will be first started delivering groceries

Unknown Speaker 37:53
at your store

Unknown Speaker 38:00
I guess it speaks for itself anyway

Unknown Speaker 38:08
no prices would be interested in interesting to see what you know like a lot of people talk about things being expensive now but the way it's still going you know like land for example. We first came here you could have bought land for 50 cents an acre. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 38:27
It's always hard to try to find out about town because people forget about wages you know and whenever I hear people talking about prices of things or when you could get it so cheap but then they don't say that that's when people learned

Unknown Speaker 38:40
I bought a nice creamier and Ganges yesterday and as I said I'll have a small one. There's $1.25 We had to store is to sell a scoop for a nickel.

Unknown Speaker 38:49
I remember getting ice cream for as long as girlfriend when I was growing up

Unknown Speaker 39:01
should have kind of child sized calm ways

Unknown Speaker 39:03
to sell canned corned beef grade a corned beef one pound tins a square Tim's with a key on the side of it used to wind up date sensitive and the mother said is to be a lot cheaper.

Unknown Speaker 39:20
For a really high price

Unknown Speaker 39:22
yeah that was later on you know probably when I was this age when I was talking about it

Unknown Speaker 39:28
in the store did yourself like fresh meat and

Unknown Speaker 39:33
and he brought this he had to post office at a Shell Oil. I've got some pictures of the front of our store with a gas pump Bill shell get excited over the top cut and restore Shell Oil.

Unknown Speaker 39:48
Did you say you said that your debts he started that store right he ran

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low to 29

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It dismisses backshell son Fred help them donor like that

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yeah

Unknown Speaker 40:12
and this was my head that story I got this picture. She was going through some old pictures from set we might like to have it so she said it was the touch her son Larry

Unknown Speaker 40:32
30 He's a big farmer in Kenya

Unknown Speaker 40:43
almost quite something for your dad to go fishing on tanks going to like I see this.

Unknown Speaker 40:53
On the Fraser River they pull the nets by hand. Yet Susie Mackenzie? My mother's maiden name is Mackenzie so she was married to my mother's brother. Oh yeah. She might be still living I don't know if she is

Unknown Speaker 41:12
but he's got he's got died fairly

Unknown Speaker 41:21
you know, it would be I know the archives would love to get some copies of his photographs. And especially especially if you you know, did what you said and like, say what who the people are and where the locations are. You know, what I looked at recently, this is what this reminds me of the Reverend Wilson when he was on the island he kept a wonderful scrapbook and photograph album. Which, which now Peggy Tolson who works at the Archives she she now has, and that's where he made the scrapbook and then they photocopied it all you know, for the archive so they have all these really nice photographs. He also it was around the turn of the century he'll he had a lot of sketches that he'd done himself for his house and of his children's houses even as floor plans and there he was really, he was really quite a very good for posterity for learning that if

Unknown Speaker 42:25
Padley has got all lazy barred the negative Safiyah had the negative redundant. I didn't think it was nice to put it into an abuse book and him take a credit for the trend of in in Sean's name they still live here and get yourself Yeah, they'd be worth the interviewing if you could crazy and this girl yeah, they're all that's the ones I bought the farm from and that's when I got these pictures from and then I didn't I didn't get all their pictures I just ordered some that I thought I'd make the interest and they have a terrific amount.

Unknown Speaker 43:02
I shouldn't be I should talk to Mary and see if she's been in touch with a scavenger you know going around to find out but it's you know, it's such a valuable historical. You know, these things can be

Unknown Speaker 43:17
interesting, you know, people you know, we're gonna all be gone someday and there's others have gone I've talked to a lot of old timers, like old Tom pop murderer. He was an old. I knew his father, John pop murder. And Tom said he used to bring the cream from Russell's farm come only through the bourbon Valley. And he got $4 for full day. And he had to walk with a team all the way. Release Hills down here to the bureau the old bakery and that used to be the butter place where they made slaughter.

Unknown Speaker 43:55
That's really good buddy.

Unknown Speaker 43:59
Jim Eckerman Fulford right now he used to make the creepy one. I think Drake ran it and then when he he retired and Jim ran it closed. Jim can be well worth that's Bob a coverage brother. He's older than Bob I think. But he'd be interesting to talk to you.

Unknown Speaker 44:21
Yeah, he would with that. Yeah, actually, Bobby caminhadas has given us a tape and he's talked a little bit about how hard his brother worked on that. At the creamery. You know, there very early hours

Unknown Speaker 44:35
used to come to the valley each are different and Bob Bob and Jim would be go by our place at seven o'clock in the morning and be still in bed. Because sometimes if the weather was nice in the summertime, we used to catch a ride with the kids. You're always up early. Anyway, Dad always had to store open at seven o'clock in the morning and the store Working from seven in the morning till 11 o'clock at night. He had a pool room in the basement and my brother was playing with dad's gun 4440 And upstairs was down below and he left the gun go off and it shot through the floor and hit the pool table. Match. Slate image slate pool table and cloth was all shattered.

Unknown Speaker 45:28
Travel for the well

Unknown Speaker 45:30
actually that was the one that we should have been in trouble because he came in from hunting and he never took the shells out there my brother was pumping you know with 3030 Right. And I guess he luckily had it was in the evening. The NAD was in the store wait most of people and the door the doorway came through here like I was sitting on mother's knee for the scope. She was reading a bedtime story. Yeah. And I was sitting down to hit one off she partnered through the house all silent she's patiently no look right beside her. You started right alongside her. She didn't even know he was there. And I guess he was playing with pull the trigger and bang you measure one going off in this room

Unknown Speaker 46:24
where no one was hurt.

Unknown Speaker 46:26
Luckily, nobody was playing

Unknown Speaker 46:36
this is Bob Eckerman sister and Kim sister of little girl

Unknown Speaker 46:46
Crenshaw went to school with Molly during the same grade school. But that's when you know, the another one that might have some pictures to do with the old fairy of Fulford would be Alice and Bob. Do you know her though?

Unknown Speaker 47:03
Not. Um, I've heard of her.

Unknown Speaker 47:08
She's an old age. You're just living on her own. She's always found a company. She might have some pictures. But I looked at the negatives is a lot of days if I was to dig them out. That's a job a person should do in the winter. There's this one. That's the sofas. That's the old Vesuvius Hotel. My dad said he could have bought that for $1,500 What's

Unknown Speaker 47:43
that too much?

Unknown Speaker 47:46
Just break your heart when you hear them.