310_Bob-Rush_Life-on-Salt-Spring_2011.mp3

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Pharmacy Institute. Let's see how many people have been born or who were living here and make a Nathan 30 When I was born, we only about 14 people.

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We were born here.

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Bob woods in one gym profit being another

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go to struggle at that time doesn't matter.

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And then the two James girls, the James had a seed factory here and Seed Farm.

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Val what as a sister, Mary,

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and

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Evelyn Lee,

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Mary Margaret,

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are other ones that are older.

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left out a few I'm sure but only about 15 or 14. Nikki added Kathleen referral who was not born here but lived here. That time. Maybe a total of it's certainly less than 20 here.

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And certainly we've lived here. Yeah.

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Have you said

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your parents were up in Bella Coola? I think was Bella Bella Bella Coola.

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Because you are Sutherland she was up here as well. Yes. Before or after? Before? before? Yeah. Because she retired when she left Saltspring it

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that the document was hard to hear. Yeah, yes, yes, yes. My father took over.

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And knows these doctors made house calls. I've heard

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remember going on health occasion of my father.

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Not being much money and not much cashing out at that time. doctors tend to get paid, if at all, in vegetables and chickens and things like that. And

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a couple of occasions, we've acquired a cow. In one of those occasions. I don't know how old I was that maybe. Let's say 10 years old.

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We picked up a cow at the top of Lee's hill where the big rock is Yeah. And I walked it all the way into her house and Ganges on my

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kids didn't get tired. And those days, you ran and ran and ran and ran and it didn't never get tired.

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I won't say paid but people invite us to their homes for dinner, and then show their kindness.

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That way.

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I can name a few families but one.

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We visited the records and number times they remember those records mother lotus, died last year at age 9083. Boats. Remember your mother Mrs. Mann Henyk. Let me books from your library. One of them was Jack London's book and one of his chaplains books.

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And

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was it Moby deck that he wrote? No.

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He bought some car called Wild.

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Whatever it was, anyway, remember?

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And maybe confused with the Moby Dick book about Queequeg? Yeah, that's what we did. Yeah. Okay. And one of the

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things I remember from that book was that Queequeg ate with his hands, if I recall, and the rest of the people thought that wasn't proper. And what I learned from that was each well, people have their own way of doing things. And it's not necessarily right or wrong. It's whatever the customers. So one of my philosophies is take people for what they are, don't criticize them. Don't judge them, like you didn't judge them, but

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you can form opinions on them, but take people for what they are, and don't try and make them over. And

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just because they're different for you doesn't mean that they're wrong.

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You mentioned Somewhere I read that you ran into a gentleman you don't even know who it was, but but he gave you a piece of advice. And you can remember to this day, the very spot that it happened. That was my first day at school,

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walking home Boundary Road and starting to go up the hill before the first turn.

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A gentleman walking down. Stop me. I don't remember who it was. I didn't know at that time. But he's asked about school, how was it and whatnot. I said, it's my first day at school and he said, those would be the happiest days of your life. And I guess they probably were, because you didn't have that same responsibility making a living or going responsibilities at home.

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But yeah, school is something special. In this way. You

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This, this conversation is primarily about Saltspring. I won't go into the Vancouver party. Yeah.

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Well, that's good. Let's go. Okay.

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Well,

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Marshall High.

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School was so great because he didn't have to do all the chores at home.

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Get away from milking the cows. Yeah, they had a big dairy farm.

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delivered in glass bottles. Who said he would you mentioned Frank? Marshall. Yeah, that's right. He spoke. He spoke with the Historical Society.

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Growing up in facilities

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Yeah, it's hard to think of the finger at the big dairy operation on Saltspring it doesn't seem

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there's been no silence since I've been here. No, there's another big one in Berlin. Yeah, that was the last one that he used was

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last year.

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Farm he was coming back going well, yes. They had an operation to do I don't think I don't remember them having

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dairy.

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Big dairy operation, but maybe they did. Maybe they did.

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bottlecaps was Oh, yeah.

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Well, one of the other ways my father got paid back was I guess, between cows that we had ourselves somebody used to deliver four quarts of milk every day.

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To the bottom of that

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we used to have in Ontario our milk was delivered in bottles and milk thistle top bottles and other things. They've got a little I can pick up this topic that will be the cream of the crop and no cream with rice. Yes, but on really cold days if you didn't get the milk fast it kept raising rather than the ball or the cabinet. do really good old days. Yeah, yes. Yeah. We used to make our own butter in Delaval Yeah, well, cream separator

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Oh, I didn't mention it didn't mention one of the exciting things as a kid was the creamer operation at the bottom the Ganges Hill ramp mbmb Bakery is now Yeah, I

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think his first name was drip Arthur Drake. Drake was the is that where Drake row came from? Because their house was right next door. First one on the right hand entry clue. That was a great place because you go in there and the steam boilers would be making steam and turning the big wheels for three or four feet in diameter with the belts.

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strung between them got flat flat flat flat flat.

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Mr. Drake was there and would have a testing equipment to test the call the I guess the the butter the cream or what stage that was at used to smoke cigars too.

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What was in the name of the little building? That's still there on? Is it on? Herford that's beside a tally. Tally up

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behind it. What it is? Well,

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we're Italians now was the original telephone exchange. That's right. Yeah. And I was delighted a number of August is five or six years ago now. When it was bought by Eddie Eddie Jiang and his wife and restored it as a heritage building. Yes. The heritage building other than men Hall while in my books. I didn't know that story and then the building behind it was the original jam Fat Cat factory. That's what you're right. Yeah. It wasn't operating and when I was a kid, but it was a thing started around 1928 or there abouts. Thought it was a Saltspring jam that was yeah is exported Jam Jam was made there. And I remember Mrs. Mira kami saying what's

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perhaps one of the reasons for its downfall was that the men discovered that the juice made good wine.

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Yeah.

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And then it was an apprentice a jacket. When I was a kid though we had for a number of years we had a Cubs and scouts on the upper level.

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Remember mats and time be saying once that that was the first apartment building in the island because it eventually got converted to residential slow and still is. Ha

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did you go to the chicken house school? No, that was the high school

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and that

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was discontinued in 1940. It was a 1940 that the various schools around the island are all consolidated into one school Ganges which is now the Ganges elementary school or something

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Elementary I'm not sure what the name of it is. But in 1940 it was

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officially opened in April the first 1940 and it consolidated the Fernwood school school at Central the Genji school. The Blackburn school in Blackburn road. And I think a couple other ones in in the forefoot area. Burgoyne and in Fulford maybe but not the one in Isabella point of beaver pointer. A couple of them didn't incorporate at that time it became Ganges Elementary,

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consolidated school. The high school that you're referring to was the chicken coop school which is in the building beside man Oh

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and this house is made from the wood and the windows and everything from that I really

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wish division

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when they built a new school that consolidated school then that they had to tear the other one down first

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it

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coincided or not because they would have had to get the high school going while they built the new school but they could have had temporary facilities perhaps because anything better than the chicken coop soon reasons that chicken coop reason it's called the chicken coop store because it was a chicken coop because the original settlement and Saltspring commercial center was at Central

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and then that's it was built by the farmer's organization at that time in 1898. I think it was 1897 Maybe. And then they moved into Ganges in 1901 dope man Hall, and that the fairgrounds been moved down to the school grounds our elementary school.

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When I was a kid, there were sheep sheds along Rainbow Road that were used for the people at the fourth air

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and

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the

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air when this consolidated school was built, then the school bus system was brought in, invest in and it was built I think half with maybe provincial funds and half the funds raised locally. And

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I gather from what Manson Tony told me one time Gavin Mort was one of the ringleaders in that and getting the school built it sadly didn't he would go around to people's houses and say and open a book and say I've got you down for extra

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money was raised and the school was built

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not quite the same way fundraising

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Do you know when

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the school was well, this house apparently came up here 1938 38 That's make sense because I never saw a picture with a consolidated school and chicken house school at the same time. And they must have interfered with space. Okay, it must have been temporary school and your credit your private school so now that that time and Mrs. Morehouse had one up on up and on Robinson road

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I guess it's I'm sorry, it's African Geez. Really opposite Churchill road.

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And there's Benson's up on

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where they

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were bitten cart row goes down. And then there's another one across the road. I think the house my mother in her siblings, Formby house. Yeah, and your family if the students is lived here, I think in the early 30s They lived in Dean Roadhouse. Yes, yeah, that was a school at one time it was I think it was boys school. Yeah.

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The main one when I was a kid was at the end of Hereford road up on the hill.

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Run by Mr. Cropper. And it was primarily for boys. But then they had some girls there two of my younger sister, my younger sister went there for the first year.

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I forget the name of it, but alpha copper still around.

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There a lot of private schools for whatever reason. Interesting. Yeah. The Tulsans were copied at the school. Just put a Ganges hill in the waterside. The building is still there.

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Did you mention that in schools whenever? Yep. Yeah. My mother hole is she related to any schools and Saanich? Well, well, by marriage. I see. Okay. Yeah. And he was

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I'm married to my uncle John is still still living just over there.

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The family was from Galliano originally. And then when their children got to school age, they moved over here. They lived here for about 10 years while they were going to school in the operated a little launch.

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Not a fairy but a

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passenger lunch. I remember one evening, it didn't come home from a trip up to Thetis island there it was. And there's a lot of concern that something tragic that happened, but I guess the weather was such that they stayed over whoever it was, and everybody was happy when they showed up the following morning. That was the kids. That was the kids. It wasn't the wasn't grandfathers and little

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children was Bill and Bill and Betty and Mum. Mum, I think that was it. Mom was a really good friend with Alison mod. Oh, yes. And it was New Year's Eve. And they came over they were having a party at Galliano. So they came over to pick up Alison to take her back to Galliano for this New Year's Eve party. And her father, Captain mod wouldn't let her go, oh, but he also sent them off. So so

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the motor quit in the boat. This is my mother's story. And they were they were just drifting and they drifted from Fulford all the way up to Cooper. Oh, I headed the opposite direction. Yeah. And and she was saying, you know, they're going hope help you can imagine these kids and, and at one point, she said that her her older sister was going to jump in and swim to the shore. But she in the end, she didn't and there was a native Indian Indian fellow

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walking along the beach, and he heard them and he got in a rowboat and pulled them in. And I guess got I don't know. Maybe phone somebody or something. But anyway, they were all safe and it was just an amazing. Send out. Yes. Yeah, it was happening, I'm sure scary.

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I remember your grandfather.

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Studies Bay. When Mr. Gordon the princess married to Vancouver once a year. He used to be the postmaster there. Had a peg peg leg. Yeah, he had a peg

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used to go to Vancouver once a year in late August to get our school supplies and visit my grandparents and West Vancouver. How long would you stay there?

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I guess a week at the most and then get a school supplies and go to the TNA

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booth shopping for some clothes and come back.

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Prior to that I got most of the shopping list. These are delicious. By the way somebody else better eat something for most of the shopping was done through like yep, Sears catalogs. Yeah, that's the same story.

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It's Sears Sears. Sears Roebuck, Sears Roebuck. Okay, we had Simpsons and

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there was even a saying, because since there's an eton's in Toronto, we're literally side by side. Some exactly the same stuff, but they were side by side huge. Six or seven stores department stores. If somebody was nosy you'd say does heatons Bother symptons?

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guess one other thing I remember to was that.

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There were still horses with cracks that people use for the transportation or to left.

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Naked dirty sprockets. That's the

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aim right being one of them.

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And

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Crawford forget his first name now. You used to go into Ganges get their supplies.

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In it wasn't the horse and buggy. It was a wagon behind flat sides.

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Pick up their feed,

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pick up their mail. Do whatever else. They have have oxen on the island.

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They did long before my time. Yeah.

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Going back to the Princess Mary.

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That's where all the freight came in. Hardly any came in from Victoria side, if I recall, mostly came in Princess Mary

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wasn't picked up immediately by the recipients would go into the freight shed. So it's interesting always to go into the freight shed to see who is going

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In

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one year, I found some boxes addressed to Dr. Rush.

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And it was a Christmas

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set of the books and knowledge. Oh, wow. Because earlier that year salesman from Victoria

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look something. I forgot his name now I've had he turn around the island in his car and hit a rumble seat. Oh, yeah. So as kids, for sure. It's cool. It's a nominated or conscripted or whatever. But we sat in the backseat, and the rumble seat, as I call them, the various people because we could tell them ahead of time. Who lived where yeah, of course, get up.

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Early GPS ran into many years later.

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Sure, yeah. I ran into him many years later, Strathcona hotel where he was working on the desk.

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And, and they, while they were here, during their selling trip, he and his wife lived down or camped down at the bottom of Betancourt road. And the wharf was still there, but is still there. But you couldn't access it. Well, you could. You weren't supposed to.

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I don't know when it was torn down.

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But I've got pictures. With me in front of it.

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Was there was a lot of shipping or some shipping done on the on the other side of the island and stuff Musgrave are going via forgotten that there wasn't I thought there was well before the streaming service. Yeah, in a regular basis. Stevenson Victoria, tapped into Nymo. That's right. That's what I stopped off at Musgrave in the Vesuvius.

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And that's one of the reasons why the initial commercial settlement was at Central because the stimulus would come in Well, they'd offload stuff at Vesuvius even before there was a wharf. And on the other side, they did offload it firm it here on the other side. So that became a settled this center is also farther away from people reading from the ocean from the from the shore.

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I want to should have mentioned too, that the original settlement in the commercial center was etc. but it moved down into Ganges

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following the move of the farmers Institute,

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what became the farmers Institute in 1901, or there abouts?

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And according to David Weatherall, it's partly because Ganges was more of a protected harbor.

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It's a destination place whereas Fernwood and the Vesuvius were stopped by place Yeah, Ganges was a destination place but it made for easier travel to the other outer islands. Because we were related to the outer islands in many ways. So the the biggest development my books came in 1912.

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And a person by the name of Ward

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subdivided a good part of the Ganges

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it created that whole area between renumber road and MC Phillips Avenue.

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It

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Hereford didn't exist at that point and, and Mike Phillips didn't exist at that point. Now I'll Allambie 10 Phillips in the in the Ganges harbor was swamp, sometimes referred to as McAfee swamp.

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Anyway, going back to 1912, that's when the big the subdivision took place of what is now a downtown Ganges.

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And this word, was he was he politically connected or no? Well, no, I don't think so. But Mike Phillips was named after one of the provincial cabinet ministers, who was, I think, a lawyer that Ward knew I suppose, and Ward had come from Herefordshire, Shropshire and Herefordshire. So that's what I was asked for that game. And one of the lots was given to the Ganges Athletic Association of some such name, which is now beside the Korean. There's some naturopaths or some Yeah, five people in there. Yeah. And

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so it was a social club. It was used when they had a pool hall at the pool table in there. Strictly men. And McAfee was one of the people there. McAfee was the blacksmith.

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He was we're guessing how he is now. So that was it. There was a forest that was a blacksmith shop and that was another interesting place to go by because he'd see the Forge work. Yeah. The bellows that would be a natural sign, bang, bang, bang and then in season, people hang their deer there to while to ripen or whatever the word is for the meat.

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And he also used to drive golf balls off the end. He would pay us kids think

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A couple of cents or maybe a nickel to retrieve the balls.

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And that he was

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I would like to follow up the story with Arbor Chalmers about Mowat Park, it should be called McAfee Park. Because, as I understand it from Harvard

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land was donated by McAfee as part of his will. Oh, and Gavin may have been an executor, whatever it was, and it was dedicated as Park property. But then subsequently, I gather the provincial government when they took over ownership, or maybe even had the ownership at that time. named it after Gavin, work closely with them.

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To follow up that story, so yeah, it'd be worth knowing that could be live just up the hill. But it was it's all swamp area between

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both the Ganges road and deluxe Avenue.

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So the blacksmith shop on the one side and Creamery up on the other side.

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was the one that operated as an agent for the government in the negotiations between the Japanese Yeah, yeah. I think the landlord sensor drivers purchased by another group from

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expropriation, shall we call it for lack of a better

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word it was, I guess, going back to major developments.

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After the 19 Tough subdivision, there would have been the creation of Centennial Park filling in what

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is that what this? Yeah, no, no. On the other side, the other side? Oh, Centennial Park. Yeah. And then the area where the parking lot is now for thrifts. Yes. All of us was an isthmus, they'd go up to remote stories, just the width of the road and then a little bit

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and the left hand side heading towards north store.

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It was about not swapping their mudflat

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is that areas to be used as a log dump?

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Opposite man Hall,

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and logs boomed in there.

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A couple of stories from that is that

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as kids weren't supposed to do it, but we had a lot of fun going down to the shore by man Hall in front of man Hall, going along a lot booms and some of them were just one single log to get over to that store and the other side and periodically, the principal would say, you know, you better not do that. You're not allowed to do that. Because what could happen of course, is the fallen down between the two logs and logs and not come up.

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And the other story is that where the firewall is now,

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one time when the herring herring spawning season, herring came in there and I guess responding and the logs were there and the tide went out and herring

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on the shore on the red flag. And so a

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lot of us went and picked up herring

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that it smelled for a while after that a lot of fast

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Did you get a lot of things did they get get rule against coming in? No. I guess they may have but we didn't know them.

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Yeah.

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Going back to man Hall. That's that was the hall on the island as far as entertainment was concerned. magician shows would come to the island or concert come down and

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our school concerts were held there

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one year and I was the

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one of the Seven Dwarfs there wasn't the wasn't topia, don't

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you remember that? Another year I was.

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I had a little froggy thing over my head. Froggy. Froggy would have ruined go.

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Master ceremonies for one year and forgotten to bring the script with me from the house

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declared by here

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for Mr. Yep, nope, that would be easy.

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Although I think from the way you talk today, you you're selling yourself short.

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They had a janitor there when you're a caretaker when you're a man Hall.

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And if it's in over in the side

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of the wings, and he had a mattress attached to the wall curled up that that's where he slept. It's sort of like a hammock match is made into the hammock type thing

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Well,

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there's also another little boat or something called it'll do.

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Really? I guess the visitor center is now yeah, it was. So that's sort of a it's not quite a houseboat but it's a boat. I think that Brown had an the cranberry

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that he brought down there.

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Oh, and another thing too, I guess the

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PML six, the priests police motor lunch and number six used to have its home where the Ganges Orpheus and a little sideslip and it is the provincial police in those days. And it would go around to the various islands. Well, close ones anyway. Yeah.

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And as kids were August My father used to make calls with them occasionally and allow us kids two occasions that the only police force I had at that time was stationed here permanently. It was safe to premiere was Mr. Tweed hope

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but not sure but it was mentally. Tweed Hawk was one and

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Lockwood was another one during during the 30s and then they would use the boat Yeah.

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And then my father used to do that. Come out of Fernwood here once a year to check the school over Galliano

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and forget who's who used to charge it from or not try to refund it. There's just probably no board. Yeah.

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Probably my grandfather, it might have been but it's probably Mr. Just Mr. Howell with an outboard on this rowboat.

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Then Wallace Island was

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a summer place for I won't say rich kids from Seattle. But it used to be used to come over here Fernwood

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they had their own own boat I think

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at least two will be there periodically to

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my father was the doctor on call so yeah, we needed but it was hurtful. Elder Fernwood here. How long did you that practice?

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From 1930 I guess.

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Well, I guess a year before that. And then guess I think he practiced in Vancouver.

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into his well into his 70s patients wouldn't let them go.

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Any. He died

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in his 100th year. Wow.

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Wow.

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God is jeans

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I couldn't find it. I had a picture of of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs?

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I do.

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Well, I was I know it's

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but I actually think it might have been done on Galliano. Oh, yes. All right. Yeah. I think it might have been done because my mother was some way. Yes. And she is quite a bit older than you.

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John was the closest to me, and he's a couple years older. I think he's a yeah 83 If you go to school with John

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think he went to private school?

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He probably went to crawfish school. I would guess Morehouse. He would have gone to for me

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and then he went to North fan when he was a little bit older to private school I

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forget the name of the school but I think it's probably the same one that my cops went to and that Don Laird went to

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forget the name of it

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just in case

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Yeah, go to the Galliano's Yeah, I was in there. And I wouldn't discount this but I think even though I think it is I think it's dental Stevens

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in this search on Galiana Oh, okay search for know what

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that's true logical.

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And then there were a group of people here that

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I was going to see if you knew any of them

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didn't know many people in Ghana other than the school's family and the new. Oh right. I

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I had a new I think was in Greenwich here near last years.

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And she used to color big photographs. And we have a photograph about one of the three mastered CPR boats going through active paths taken from up on the bluff.

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And she covered that. My brother acquired that photograph has it is based

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on my sheet Donald Knuth mother

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I would I would take everything sister it was yes

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down you captain. The boat that used to go between Steve Austin the other

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day yeah

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so you had a misspent youth Did you?

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So be careful

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Yeah, pretty much

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read your columns

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you put your confessional yes that's right. Yeah. We got to be careful

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dimples Stevens. Here's an interesting one. It's not that long ago

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Wow

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somebody said that was an

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act of pass while the Alberni Thank you Michelle Rooney

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Wow. told all these Indians

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don't teach me just when I need them. They're not all done.

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I think we all make that mistake of not putting the information in the back of a photograph they got back to in three generations and we don't know who and mostly degenerates into arguments.

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But then the old timers they sometimes scroll something in the back of the photograph and then glued it

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trying to get those off, you have to take them if they're on in those albums. Oh, yeah, pages. You have to take them off or take off. When you take them off. You invariably get some of the black stuff back and you have to scratch that off.

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It's a nightmare. That part of being an archivist is not

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fair reminds me of the time I wanted to be an archaeologist and I went to a dig and they handed me a toothbrush or going to Scotland

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wanted a backhoe That's right.

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At least

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find the skull immediately. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, with with diamond teeth proof preferably.

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So Chris Arnett is he giving the presentation in January January? He's doing it on they had an archeological dig up that couldn't be up north of Kellyanne and he was up there last summer so that's what he's doing in January so you probably like yeah would very much I'm really interested in

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bigger bigger

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blush

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this maybe or is that still on Frank? Yeah. Now the thing on the boat these meeting the Princess Mary these to offload a lot a lot of feed sacks of feed and flower sees a different kind of the Eastern demotes feed shed where the bookstore is now. Right. And us kids used to have a great time in the feed shed on the sacks and making little holes and cabins not cabins but cubby holes

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in there

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that's a play.

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Yeah, it's Snow White.

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That's um, yeah. Yeah. So I first thought it was the same one and then come to think of it. It was the well hidden

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apparently, Ralph Stevens made the costumes for all these kids are quite amazing. Going back to this boat base there used to be used to ship off cartons and cartons or boxes and boxes of apples. Yes, yeah, it used to be apple. Real apples. So yeah, I remember being picked at Bullock's farm and being put in boxes and shipped off number a couple of times to their big pigs. Trying to round them up and get them on board the ship. They don't take direction

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No, no. And then when summer season

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phaser was the name I think

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cousin or brother of motorcycles shipped Casco bark

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out of their off their farm. Let's get the camera back came from a cast Cara tree, I presume, if I

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understood correctly at the time and recall correctly now, it was used for black eyeshadow or something like that. Well, maybe maybe it's a maybe it's a mess medicine or something, isn't it? Yeah, herding cats never heard of a kiss carrot tree, you know, the island that was just one year.

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At Google, in another time.

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Honeymoon of

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Bob Patterson, and Netsy. Baker, I think it was class canvas. Parents.

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They're married and they're going off and on the Princess Mary and the customer at that time. So I sat down only once was to have a sort of a model boat, and maybe a foot and a half long or something and throw it in the water. And if it's stayed up, right, then it's going to be successful marriage. Well, if it turned over then

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stayed up, right.

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Yeah, but

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you wouldn't want to be kept capsized.

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Boat days are great days. Yeah, it sounds like they were really excited.

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That was the main event.

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Going back to the telephone exchange,

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where the that restaurant is now yes, there has been converted to that.

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That's how I used to tell the time.

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Or find out what the correct time was because that he goes before the CBC time signals in the morning at 10 o'clock. And the telephone operators to be the one that kept in touch with the outside world. So you phone them to get the time.

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You could do a follow up and see what times yeah.

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And that wasn't often too often the where the time was all that critical

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that the telephone operators to they used to plug in the little cords and whatnot. And they didn't operate 24 hours a day. But in any case, they could keep track where my father was. And if somebody was needed to get in touch with the Father, they say, well, we saw him or heard it, he was just over it's also

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trying to reach in there.

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And the guests also my father may have even left messages with them. So if anybody calls are not in then they can be reached at wherever it is.

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Long before the days of answering machines.

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Real human beings collapse on the cascade of a tree.

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It looks like we're right in the in the area.

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Can I not even know that? I guess we feel on the bar graph. There's no cheese left

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I can't see a close up sort of note again, if I saw, I think yeah, there's one of the leaves which Yeah.

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Nice. No, it's a very, very strongly fit.

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But the berries, and they're distinct. There's lots of trees lots of berries. Yeah.

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Kiss here.

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Anyway, it's what we used in nursing for laxative. Oh really? Did you crush the leaf or was it like it was about it was a black it was a black syrup. Oh, so that would make sense with your

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high

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we used to have this stuff called mag task and it was magnesium. We put a little bit of the cask area in the bottom of this much of a little and then we would add the white magnesium to it and that would be

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lot of water I hope

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sounds pretty cool. Actually I quite liked it because it tasted like like crush Oh really? Yeah didn't have a bad taste.

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And they probably put sugar in

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to use it in his beard

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us

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that period

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he is yeah, they had stuff without the beard black inner beard.

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Typically is different things for their hair nowadays.

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Some people don't use shoe polish speaking of that, but subtitle your next book.

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I'm running out of ideas

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And blackcap maybe

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you got one coming up this Christmas. No, not this year. No, I haven't gotten my publishers

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not real healthy right now. So he's he's kind of kind of

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hanging back a bit but I'm gonna find it this week whether he wants to do one for the spring.

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Em asleep. Do you have asleep? It seems like you want to have a clock in the morning

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it's not that that's it's I get up early I think that's that's the whole thing I get up at five o'clock so and I get more done in the first two hours and

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yeah, there's no there's nothing else to do but work. Can't talk to anybody. There's nothing on TV. You can't make phone call to make coffee first. Yeah.

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Sometimes when to walk the dog. Boats eight o'clock. Oh, yeah. I got two dogs. They're getting old or so I'm gonna so they don't get up with you. Probably. Yeah, they one of them does the other. No, the other ones really old. He's almost done. I almost have to wake him up to walk.

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You must read asleep.

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Can I interest anybody? And that's not for me. Thanks for

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getting out of here.

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That's okay. I'll suffer through.

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How do you like your apple? Your is that a pro? iMac pro right? Yeah, it's a MacBook Pro. I love it. I've had it. I know. I gotta take the leap. I think I think you should. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 46:37
I was just cursing my machine again this morning. It's yeah, everybody that has an Apple says. So. Yeah. It was a real it was a real learning curve. I bet it would be when I first I had it. I thought, Gee, I don't know if I'm going to be able to, you know, get really comfortable. I kept looking for the right click. That was the thing that was bugging me.

Unknown Speaker 47:00
Doesn't have a most for one thing. Yeah, it doesn't have a right. Right click. So anyway, Frank has been a very good, you're proficient?

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Well, that's good.

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I used to teach

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computer skills.

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For somebody who never touched a computer before, one Mac and one PC, or in an hour, two hours, the guy on the Mac knows much more than interesting. on the PC.

Unknown Speaker 47:35
I have five to two PCs, and they're different different models. I don't want to dwell on ones the ones that I do forget it is but but I don't have to retrain myself every time I go offline. I mean, no, it doesn't work on this one. And my computer has a way of erasing things that you've just written or agents. It's just something you touch with your one of my fingers touching something.

Unknown Speaker 47:58
Because you can undo. Yeah, I'm did. And this is really me. No iPad. That's your iPad. My partner has one Lynn's got one. Yeah. But you know what she found that she can't do and everybody keeps telling her you can't do it. I don't believe this is that she can't do group emails.

Unknown Speaker 48:15
He can she can only send an email to one person and everybody looks at the machine says yeah, so it seems to be I think it is. It doesn't. That seems really weird to me. Well, I know you can reply. All right. I don't know about initial. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 48:29
For the first time, I'm about to send out a group email to old timers, because I'm responsible for organizing Oh, titles are in the next year. Because the original previous committee is evaporated.

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Pick up the strings.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. 50 years or more, literally 50 years or more ago or is related to one. Well, I organized the first one that farmers Institute back in 1957 holiness is still living in Vancouver, and that shared it 57 No, there's no wrong you're 80 780-787-9297 2002 and last year terndrup younger group, and they've all resigned. Can't do it for whatever reason. So you're back and back in the saddle. So I've got 300 email addresses 300 Plus email addresses all in one group now. I've composed a covering letter and I'm about to just push the button

Unknown Speaker 49:27
that's a nice feeling you can do that half of may have changed in the meantime. That's true. People change their email addresses quite often.

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Tell us

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imaging

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because saw

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the limit

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was the Washington

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Monument let me send them all to split them up.

Unknown Speaker 49:54
I'm afraid something that might happen. That's when I found that Yeah, yeah, I can't wait.

Unknown Speaker 50:00
There's more to more than one person, but it couldn't end. But I guess if I had a group as an address, like

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so spring archives info or whenever,

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see, I can add as many as I want. It looks like

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so yeah, here's, here's the thing.

Unknown Speaker 50:28
You have two on here. Yeah, I got two addresses. Sure. You can put put another one behind. Yeah, I could put lights.

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Sure.

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But could I put a group as well?

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Save it in a address book as a group. Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 50:52
It's just saves, everything doesn't. There's no more I can put in all the addresses, but it keeps track of them as I get them. So if nobody sent me an email, then I have to hand handwrite the address.

Unknown Speaker 51:11
So I don't think you can do a whole group. So it's true that it just seemed pretty weird to me. I can do lots of people individually put them all in one at a time. Yeah. But to do but there's no central, there's not an address

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group things

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Express and outline.

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The difference between do with emails

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found out in this laborious process, an email that

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days and days and days. Three

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didn't get

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anybody could lie their way out of a commitment.

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You find it in your draft.

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I found that about two years after I got a computer. I felt like graphs. File one day by accident.

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Things that were totally I

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don't think I can

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really address but yeah, yeah. That's what

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reminded me to explore

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and explore. If you have any fruitful results, let me know. Because i It seems to me that just it's got to be able to do somehow, but a couple people have asked us

Unknown Speaker 52:38
well, yeah, it's not 100% versatile. It doesn't open any flashplayer

Unknown Speaker 52:47
files. So what do you like it for particular? Just because it's so portable, or I love it? Because it's portable. Yeah, I put pictures off my camera in here. Yeah. I like that feature. I do lots of email. I take it to bad. Yeah. So that's portability. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 53:05
I was just reading a an appreciation of Steve Jobs today. And he said when when it came out, it was paying basically by the by the critics, they said, well, it's not it's not it's not going to work. It's, you know, it's a cute idea. But, but the people just took to it. It just just flew off the shelves. And so the critics are wrong. I like it for everything but word processing. It's yeah. So that's what I that's all I want a laptop for pretty much. So you want to get into this. Yeah, I think

Unknown Speaker 53:32
we're going to Southeast Asia in January. So I'm learning that double learning experienced.

Unknown Speaker 53:39
We're going to Thailand, northern Thailand and Vietnam and Laos. Are you going with Cape Cod? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 53:45
We went on our first trip. Did you? Yeah. Oh, everybody has gone after that. Yeah, I've never in fact, that's the reason we're going because I've never been on a bit crazy with the idea of tourists, but they come so well recommended. Yes. It was good. It was a really good trip.

Unknown Speaker 54:03
Yeah, we're looking forward to it. You'll have fun. Cambodia is a complex country is it? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 54:11
It's hard to imagine Pol Pot murdering 1.7 million people. It's it's it's beyond the nightmare their own people. Yeah. Because they were intellectual or Glasser. Oh yeah.

Unknown Speaker 54:26
When we went there, the local guide K cos had hired did wear glasses at the time of Pol Pot and she took them off and hid them because she didn't want to get sent out to the countryside and slaughtered and she's her. Most of the rest of the family got killed. So it was yeah, it's the audit nightmare.

Unknown Speaker 54:50
Definitely hard to imagine. The other thing when we were going from Thailand, into Cambodia. I think we flew in into the

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airport and whoever it was in Cambodia

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and

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going through customs

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we each had it in their passports and whatnot. And then one couple get got held it to one side. And there's two and following. The passport got passed down from one person to another person to another person as part of the process. And then this person got carved aside that didn't come through. The story was or the the pretext of the problem with the passports didn't have three blank pages.

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But $20 US Bill settled.

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They said they said just to bring along about $100 No, I'm gonna take a little more than that cash. Seems a little late to me for emergencies. Well, you can they do have a machine? Yeah, yeah, let's release it just as if you've got an ATM, you're fine.

Unknown Speaker 55:57
But I always find it doesn't hurt to have a few bills floating.

Unknown Speaker 56:02
Well, when I was in last year, I went to Italy. When I went to England, France, and Italy and Italy, I was staying with friends. But I went on a tour before before I met with friends. So the tour finished in Rome. And I had to get up to a place called QZ, which is up in Tuscany. So I was by myself and I went to the train station early because I'm terrible with Italian. Now I wanted to make sure that that you know I got on the right train I you know, everything. I had a seat and everything worked out. So I was there quite early, wandering around the train station. And finally, the train came in after probably two hours for me just wandering around. But that's what I wanted to do. So I went and took, went in there got into one of those little compartments. They have six seats. Yeah. And each one and I put my bags up top and I sat down in a seat. And I already determined that it didn't have to have a designated seat. I could just sit anywhere. So I'm sitting quite happily. And I'm talking to this Pakistani young man who's sitting next to me. And in comes a woman. And two or three others sort of behind her. There seemed to be a lot of people. And they came and stood right in front of me. And they said, you're sitting in my seat.

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So

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well, I thought, I don't think so. But I'm not going to fight with you. So I got up and I took my bag down. No, he's moving out into the little hallway. They have and this little kid was trying to take something off my off my suitcase. And I kept saying stop it. It's mine. It's mine. And there was a lot of stuff going on around me. And I stood up and this young Pakistani man had my wallet in his hand and he handed it to me.

Unknown Speaker 58:09
So what these people had done was they got me all discombobulated without being racist. Would this have been gypsies? Yes, yeah.

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But I had everything so secure. You wouldn't believe I had

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underneath a cape. I had my purse was under my arm. And I had I had another little bag it was my wallet inside it inside. My person is always big on it all out and they got my wallet out. And he didn't know what was happening.

Unknown Speaker 58:45
Well, there was just so much

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it was bugging me and I you know I was fasting but now where am I gonna sit? thing? And yeah, he handed me my wife and it was totally intact. And he shoved them all out of the compartment and out. So they all left and and the two of us sat down

Unknown Speaker 59:12
because they didn't get my passport, but they would have had all my money, all my cards, all my things. Then when I sat back into the chair, this is what I haven't quite figured out. I had a plastic bag with my Canadian I've been to France and England and Canadian so French, Canadian and British money in this plastic bag right at the bottom of my purse. And this plastic bag was on the seat.

Unknown Speaker 59:42
Was it intact? Oh no. So they must have looked at that.

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Canadian money

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fine, it was

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just like this for about two days after

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Yeah, that's that's a classic gamble for

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spill something on you. Yeah.

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Rubbing all over the place and you know, rubbing another guy's in your pocket.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:11
Yeah, well, you know, someone had told me about that, but it just didn't No, no, it's didn't I didn't process it. I guess you don't believe it's happening to you. And they i What i figure is they were watching me in the train station. They thought I looked pretty nice. I would have, you know, I would have,

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but that was a close win. So, you know, carrying money? I don't know. Yeah, in some countries, it's one thing to have a train seat reserved. And another thing to be able to use it.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:42
Yeah, Italy was one of the countries. Is that right? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:47
Well, I was always fussing with and I did quite a bit of train travel there on my own. And sometimes I needed to seat and other times I didn't. And then after I spent a week with friends in Tuscany, then I was going back to London. I was coming home from London. So I thought it would be really nice to take the train and go through the channel. Yeah. And so I, I was taking a train from Milan, which will actually from QC up to Milan, from Milan to Paris, from Paris to London. So, so I got myself up to Milan, which is wonderful. I'm here, boy. And it was a night train. It was all night.

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So I got there. And I was watching the board to see when this train would come in. I was obviously there early, I did everything like that there. And the train was canceled.

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And they were having those, those big demonstrations in Paris at the time had big strike. And so nothing was going to Paris. So here I was, it was my birthday.

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And I was sitting in the train station in the middle of the night and

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it was it was just there was hardly anybody there just a few of us sort of travelers who were not knowing what to do next. So what did you do next? I I took a bus out to the airport and I bought a ticket to London.

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And now it worked. I was only there for about half an hour and a flight left and I was on it and

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the train station it was expensive. And I sort of lost out what I already paid for the train. But it was worth it. I was too stressed out at that point. Yeah. Good.

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Well, look at that weather moving in. I knew

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there was a there was a big ugly cloud hanging around when I came in. But it seemed to me it was at the other side

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it was in the comics and then around with the cloud. Oh yeah. Ladner was a comic strip

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joke ballistic

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a lot of consonants

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Yeah.

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There are people make that

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sometimes they make the wrong cloud

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like that or you hit the one Yeah. I gotta get one. That was fun. I enjoyed

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both so can I get a coffee on a disk or USB or whatever you want? Yeah. Okay. That'd be great. Appreciate you do some editing personal

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to be edited very much.

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Yeah, it was great. I can't believe you did all over the notes.

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It's a lot of other people to agree with everything. What do you

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hear? Their stories probably won't be as full as yours. Because a lot not too many people.

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Okay, thanks. Okay. Thank you

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stop. Oh, that was very good. That was very cool. Boy. He sure knows how to do an interviewee Yeah, he does think he'd be great.

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So you didn't use someone that you can't stop? I think the battery must be

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dead on this one. Oh, maybe.

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At that one. You said one

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and

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You're probably in no rush no no