131-2_August-Sylvester.mp3

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24.04.2023

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Oh yeah it'd be good to get that we could talk about those guys

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oh these are either

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lying around

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that's the only ones I really know

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they won't

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repeat them live in salt pain

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and who are they again?

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Brian. That's their last name

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and they were Native people. People are still alive

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and the Samsung Samsung that's one one young people are trying to get old as you guys can get older that rough rocky rocky stance yeah

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yeah but all these people I just know that names

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Jimmy

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Jimmy's

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Adam Adams Jimmy had a daughter as a daughter right now married in salt

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and who she's married to I don't know

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I miss Harris Harris. They're supposed to be a real lot of them Harris is out there.

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But so last names or

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is it still Harris are enough right.

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Married in the Hawaiian group. Yep. Wine

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related you know

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their hairs nephew Bob Hmm

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No.

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Leo Harris

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and Jack Roland we're have

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come up with

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these guys who have come here with the wall because I also heard that people would go to Salzburg for Yeah, we always traveled. I remember traveling there to Fernwood work that was a regular stop just for them. Like

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when we get there next year in the morning

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they bring all their world down by their oh right right at the dock at Fernwood.

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Tony me a bit about like how much what would you buy? Last the boat was loaded. The boat was loaded as well. I don't know how much that comes to but as a young house surprised at how much good old there was just sitting on after that.

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That's what we done. We traded salmon, fruits,

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vegetables.

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That was another one of our many trips. My grandfather used to take me there. He knew a lot of people. And a lot of those people taught our language.

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Really, at Walker soup drill is

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on the south side

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of the alarm stairwell goes up their steps.

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And there was a guy that came down to meet us you heard the boat coming in

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and around

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and he'd be the first one they're all time to meet us. And right away I don't know remember what it was to milk or our length of a talk.

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But they were hollering at each other just so happy to meet one another and they go for

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it colored man

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Walker Walker so if you don't recall his name, I don't call his name. Small.

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But we camped there and camped on that beach at that time. Yeah, remember you were here was a good fixer. Yeah. Sewing that appears somewhere. He is that man. You're all up in the air. Yeah, I've been up there. Not not on this site. Okay, I know this. This guy. He explained his history and I said yeah, he was there. He did come down gave us with investable.

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What's his name again? The guy we're gonna Of course. Oh Caldwell. Caldwell? Yeah. So I guess his dad. Yep. Is that so you guys had a good relation.

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To cheer for them like, wow, I don't know. But

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you know, things I remember as a little boy we traded

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salmon traded cod anything we've got

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stuff for vegetables, yeah Apple, whatever, whatever we whatever they had bartered crazy. And so how would you be down on the beach here? Just camping and they come down? Yeah, they'd come down and meet us.

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Everybody was happy to see everyone

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as well as long here.

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The pls I don't know if there's any more of them on Saltspring PL. Yeah.

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I don't think

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they're related eight, right, Sally? No, no, no.

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Jimmy Walker. He's one. He's one related to the wrist, race family. And the Johnsons and Dan Johnson.

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These are they they're from Connecticut? Yeah. He his nickname was Tommy sugar.

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Tommy sugar used to be the mailman to get cluster mail. All along Salt Springs wrapping it up.

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So

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you get two or three sisters that's married in Salt Springs. And I was trying to get it out of

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what's his name?

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Samson

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I was wondering if he knew of some sisters.

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Tommy PL lived down there just on the reserve there he lived on.

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South Park here always refuses to learn I often wonder how five and six years went from your FPGA left.

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And so how long ago would this be? Neat? It

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must have been a long time ago. Must be

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because my grandfather is an old man passes away the stone

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EPL says

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Since you don't forget them.

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Who they want to marry their I don't know. So that's what I was trying to pick up. That's why I was digging around. And I ran into

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Irene Griffis

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she's off the Silvius

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from Rhode Island

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and I think she has family down there

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you know, she'd be a good person to talk to she's we already were hoping to get a hold of her phone number must be in a book consumers were at soccer. Okay.

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I regret it Irene Griffis?

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So who was your granddad? Basketball treasury? Okay.

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Done a book.

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There was two people that came here one man from Seattle. From your done just what you're doing right? Oh,

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yeah. Wayne subtle. Yeah, I used to. I was just a little boy. But I translate from my grandfather. And he's talking.

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Yeah. And there's another man, David. Just named David. David Rosen. Yes. Come here. And I helped my grandfather.

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Oh, wow. So he doesn't use a different color thesis from getting out of school. To do I got a copy of his it was historic. It was the first thing I read that started to teach me about the place name, the first like guy to go out and kind of collect federal federal IDs and rules. Yeah, yeah. For them. Yeah. And I know that subtlest wrote about your granddad. So

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So as your granddad used to come down here now, when families

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came down to this part of Saltspring, were were there any restrictions on where they could go or? No? was none of that? No.

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Anywhere we went to

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we just went there. Nobody questions while we were there.

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We used to come here and park the boat out the points here.

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Walk around all we want. We want all the gears to be here in this area. And lots of times we'd leave

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and then the deer would be trapped there and come back on high tide and just walk back and forth on the island to to be trapped out here on this thing. Yeah.

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Make sure it's high tide otherwise, my grandfather says joke

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In a way, and don't shoot the doors don't shoot the ones it's too young Celebi, two point or like, you never shoot anything else

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to preserve more, be more and more

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right after this point here there's some research kelps here. Yeah, that's a good card

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So was there any, we know that there's the same should hate to hate one for this place? You recall any other names around here? Like why don't you

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like we're really interested in the fund allocate land use on the north end of SaltStack. So if you could give us an idea of, you know, place names I really love.

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Maybe I was too young, didn't listen very well. But I know all the places that can camp, right?

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All these places that I could get them we got a map that HTG that has all Indian names. You see a map like this,

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and it's photocopied and it's got all Indian names. All the places are on Saltspring and all the way out to tomboy and cab driver and it's got Indian names on that map.

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An earlier one, I haven't seen it in the last few years.

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That must be the one Father Garin done. Yeah, I think Bobby Garin done that earliest one, and it was me and him going around.

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You have to remember things. I can't remember those names. Yeah, I guess he just took it for granted. Like, you're just blah, blah, blah.

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And I tell my children, this is where we can I tell him while people were because people all had certain places to

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camp right there.

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And nobody would camp there. So when we fold in, we're alone. They're, like, on the beach here on the beach, and other families would line up.

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So you each have your designated spot. Yeah. Do you recall any of the other families that use that where they would can i We never hit there at the same time. Okay. Always different times. Where I was there for different reasons, maybe.

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But I think the car called that was called. Calls are real big monstrous things. Yeah, you're still

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you know, you go there, and you take as much as you can, but don't overdo it. Don't take all all the small ones. You leave all small ones and rebury and take the big ones.

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harvesting food. We're always like that my grandfather was always you come back over here again. Same size.

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So I guess you know about the clam beaches up here. All along there. Yeah. Because Could you tell me anything about those? Oh, let's leave. It used to be there but to embarrass, to release way up towards north Center is a jet plan. But

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there's, there's a good strap climbing.

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But while I'm here, there's one

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over here somewhere.

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And it never got least yet. We're down in here.

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Yeah. And me and my brother go there. Real high beauty shows. shows a lot of rock there. But when you actually land at the beach and you walk up and there's a beach in between the rocks real Long Beach.

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So that's north of the dock. Like there's a fairly dark No

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no, I think that's fairly it's a weird shot

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Oh, yeah.

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It's right here somewhere yet. Down here. Somewhere around here. All between Frankfurt and Walker. Yeah.

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It's a hidden beach. I know where that is. And there's a little creek under there. Yeah. Yeah.

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We, we stick there all time.

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And there's places around there where you see rocks piled up nice, nice little walls around that beach. Yeah. And that's, that's to keep the break.

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And that keeps

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the clients are sparing. They're always preeclampsia. So these were built by our people. Yeah.

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So those things you learn as you go along, and my grandparents told me Don't ever knock off rocks. It's there for a reason.

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They're been in your name for that time.

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It used to be like there's words people come to me and ask me Indian words. And I say, Well, I know that for that. I know how to say that. Then they write it down and believe for me back and say we need to know more. And these are people my age that have lost lenses. Yeah.

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So we often talk about that Indian language where people are right now. Right. And that for schools, yeah, we need to know something. No.

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I'm learning it's good stuff. Your garbage, Charlie. Yeah. showing me the new writing system. No, yeah. Yeah, I'm an amateur. So yeah, we got we got a different rating system I think with

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me and my sister doing doing another discussing I forget which

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I think it might be on the intranet to already really

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shows you how this but it's got me sick, no. Telling which animal and tell him the name of that animal. gone right down.

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How to say,

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I don't know if it's got anything to show or writing. How to say it is very important. Yeah.

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So maybe we could go back?

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Are there any sort of ancient stories associated with Saltspring? Like, you know, I've heard of the man Hales fail fails.

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Can you tell us about him? quails? Is he talking about God?

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You're talking about God when you talk about

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it.

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stories or

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people tell stories where they, God was so mad, he said, he's gonna do away with a lot of the people.

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And everybody spoke one language at that time.

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And he, he was on pleased with the way they were treating each other.

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This is the time just before the flood. They call it the end of the world.

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And he's, he says, Well, you guys can't get along, we'll have to do something about that. You guys can't even all talk to each other in the morning. Because you're always all fighting.

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We'll have to put a stop to that.

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So he made everyone, all different nationalities. He called them I guess, he made them different people. They're not one number.

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He made the mental Chinese and black people and all that different. Even the truth seems to talk our language is to speak to one another.

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And the trees were the worst days to kick you with the roots calculator to go through big, powerful trees.

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Take off the queue first.

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You can't communicate with these people in the morning if you're a bully.

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And that's when a shear tree is just when a wind blows. He talks it's gone like that always

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is.

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My grandfather says he done that to him because he was the worst user. He's pushing people around and people there was trees lined up right down to the beach.

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And the people were getting pushed out.

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Then they made the flood come. No Indians live because they tied all the canoes together to work and

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tie them together.

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drifted out.

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They didn't want to get caught wherever they were living.

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When they won their lead game and the queues were tied together. The slow and slow ones. The big ones were tied together. Just the fast ones were cut loose data just going around all time scouting.

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The teams were tied together and they started to come down the street here. Wherever we came from.

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The fast clues were coming through the little Wonderland started to come back on the water started with a little spot sexual.

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They said while you go look for a real good place for our people

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that came in. They come straight in through here and they see the beach down

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this

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period like that.

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That's where they got a new name for our island here.

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That's supposed to be some

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have very long.

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That's what that means.

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And we come in here and our people share down with the stage. That's how we come to this after the big one.

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I always talk about that and tell our children in school the same story. And that's that's the way it goes. My grandfather said that's where it is. That's how we started.

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We started after the flood. Our people were here

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and that's what Hales done.

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He says no more. No more fighting with one another. No more wars

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fail sad Lots. Lots of different stories. He come

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many times said different changes. I don't know. When when the man first came

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when man first came

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he didn't wait for God to hire. He didn't wait for sales to make woman

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man came down he carved

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those two breaths

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in do when the first started

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there was two brothers. I don't know how they got to be two brothers for started on scales.

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My grandfather never explained that part to me, but he said they came down they carved that woman out of cedar.

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And one brothers was finished carving and the other one they'd come back meat axe in place

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the brother says to retune

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I'm carving a woman

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carving he's going to make himself a white companion.

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And

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good good. Looking at

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different that's different so do you see a woman named says

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I told you dreamed and his vision he had a dream to make a woman

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and he made that for himself that woman was for him

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go away come back and work and doing his

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medicine and stuff.

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Go away come back.

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We're gonna come back and a woman's gone

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his brother showed up and he said did you steal my car man he's gonna get his brother

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asked him Are the stories woman carving?

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He said no.

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Well, my career is gone.

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She looked down on the sand and he seen tracks going away

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he said whoa

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must be my woman she's here now. So he went to look for her and watch her come to life after so many

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so many days waiting for her to come.

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Up hails add some to dues come back to life.

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And there's a lot of stories like legends of the scenarios.

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And only sales add an ID for those people. How to kill a monster in the Narrows. Right.

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Indian trend through year

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porridge shoe that

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not

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Boothbay not that one the next day up?

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The next day?

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Almost right in the Narrows. I forget the name of that Verbling we're going be right in there. There kind of cross into the harbor there. Borrow the clue there someone went across the the shaman he lived in two awesome

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he says Well

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we're here to ask you to kill the monster in the narrows

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he won't let nobody pass that way.

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You won't let nobody everybody that went through their disappeared

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Health says you can only you can get rid of this.

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And House didn't want to get rid of the monster I guess.

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That man could go she's a shaman.

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And I forgot name that being you

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Remember that

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string or raw

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string.

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There's the engine name for that.

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And Iraq was so big and demand was huge. It's a shame when

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you said that mountain over there. So in a way, that mountain

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so we have to work to ask them if they'll pity us and lean over like this

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other mountain

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over so they don't get it.

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They're praying and they're into us from

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the mountains laid down like that

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that's why the mountains are like that.

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Not a peak just before he goes through

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the mountains

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to make way for this rocket come over

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and come to kill the monster.

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And he says, Okay, you guys can go home now. Go home.

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Monsters gone.

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They come home, they got come back to the same way. So that's funny the monitor really laid down there really to read and over like a

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man must have made them lean over and you never told him to get back up. So they just stayed laying down over there.

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So that's another one of them. They're not very long stories, but they're all learning stories for our people in the mark the land in certain ways, like I know he turned certain things into rocks and like you mentioned about the mountain. Yes, well, he means that one to make that one way down.

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There slot along there. Along the narrows that we had.

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We don't have them on.

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Too much people now it's gonna get worse or we're we're not. We're not saying there's not going to be but when we lived on here, those were all houses long there, right from there all the way through your

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day. We had long houses in there.

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Up towards the point of the very north end

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of Saltspring. There was long houses there.

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And that's where people were started while going after we left Saltspring would come home.

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And days, they wanted that island blog. So they come out are people I'm sure. My grandfather was saying that. When they first started logging our people were the first ones hired to go log in there. Oh, it's so the point. Yeah. And I said, Well, what were they doing there? I don't know.

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How come they left me so he didn't know either.

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Why are people just come and stayed in this one little spot? I don't know.

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But

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they said the government was the one made them do a lot of the stuff that they had to do to come in one spot. Yeah, lose all the camps, all the campgrounds. There were so much people

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that they had

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so many stories about they had the biggest war parties. They had the most canoes, everything you see all the pictures of cute brown beach.

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There was no beach that wasn't covered with a work. Those canoes all lined up on the beaches right out to the plank.

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The clues to big workings were that much.

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And he says why we all lived in one place. I don't know. But there was different points and all these islands where one person one family lived.

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And there was a watch people

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did send a runner or send the fast canoes to come get your

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their comments. The invaders are coming.

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Big tall ships are coming and

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the high days are coming.

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Anything they had to know that was done. We even had people living on top a tremendous big mountain there.

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That won't cost you now so I guess

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that's where the people sit and watch it go.

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That's the one right up behind ladies. Right behind. Automate. It's

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nice. It's a nice it's a nice it's a nice. That's the name of AdMob I've heard that name. Yeah, that means I'm just

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like if just watching. Oh, okay.

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Just like you've been there a long day and you're getting towards the end you're just leaving there now

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so I've heard that name applied to Saltspring me I don't know where

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you recall any name for booth canal or

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that's that one's China's China's Boothbay? That's where our longest flight, long

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sharpness, sharpness.

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What would that how would you spell that near?

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G I don't even know how to write. Ch a.

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And us good shot. And that's how I said that's how songs Yeah, it's sharpness. That's that's the way you say it. In English sharpness. I don't know. That's a place name at all. It's probably got an explanation for it. One of our old people must know it. Yeah. I, Henry and really Edwards have a lot of no one this. Yeah. We're going to talk to them next. Yeah, I talked. So Emery is still with us. He's still Yeah, good shape. I talked to him up four years ago. Yeah. Well, no, he's in good shape is cms meetings now? Oh, excellent. Just Christine's not in very good shape.

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kind of sickly so Roy's wife. Okay, Leigh Edwards. Yeah.

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They have a little she's having trouble I guess you're pretty sickly. Didn't expect your lib left Andrew hospital but

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I see her she's

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pretty skinny now but she's still walking around.

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So do you recall any names like for Vesuvius area because I've been finding the sort of a big gap there between booth canal and like that whole coast. It didn't seem to me any place names.

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Not No, I don't remember recall any. If there was anything said about that. My grandfather always talked to me about things like

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he's there's something interesting along there. Just north of the

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the ferry dolphins instead of rock paintings. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And their significance too. Yeah. That's big reserved there.

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If you walk along a beach and really walk and have a good look, you'll see the showman.

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Yes. And booth canal is a good getaway place for our people.

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When I first come to as young fall I used to go to dinner with my grandfather and we stay in there all week. Taking classes in Boothbay

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and just kept there nothing

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said no, there was no people there was deserted

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nice and quiet

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Yeah, I was talking to Henry actually and Roy they told me in the old days used to be so the canoes good yeah. It's been loose canal. Yeah. And Ganges. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that must be that

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must be the other one. We're going

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no, it wasn't you know, he said it was at the head of booth canal when they're really ISI and then his little creek that runs into into the lake. Yeah, and he said these to drag a canoe up there and then scrape again and again on skids. And aren't even gave us an Indian name for that skid. He says the same name for the place between keeper and Thetis shuts off so

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that somebody was dragging a canoe

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saw

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that was just a little ditch to

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command that between theorists. And

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that wasn't theorists. That was all Kuper. Yeah. So that's why it's got that name. It was just a little ditch, like going to plant BLDC a little ditch. Drag the canoe through there. That was a big swamp.

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Then they started dredging up and it turned out to be two islands. Oh, really? So they weren't joined? They were joined. Yeah. Interesting.

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So any stories recall about

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the old Indian name for this area? Is

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that correct?

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Places like Yeah. Click that. Saltspring Yeah.

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That was the first that's the only name I knew this one.

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island by grandfather shows next clip

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just not doing well.

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Then, you know, soon as he says that, I know going that direction. Yeah. For for the selfies to name, Tomboy Island and all those

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little passes down there.

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And that's where we're going. He says we're going clip Seagull eggs are gonna stay down there for a while a week.

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You could see drinks and you boil it all up and then you can get it all.

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If we're not going there, we'll go this way. And those are all uncertain times a years a certain time of the year you can get cheaper eggs and do nothing.

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Nobody does that. No more. We must.

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We don't know that kind of life. No more. Yeah. We don't know how to live like that. It is all that food. It's probably still there. It's there. I go out and I walk along the beach. I can eat the green leaves off the rock. Yeah, they call us. Yeah. Yeah, wait for it to dry and you can eat it right up the beach. What does that show up?

Unknown Speaker 36:17
In May, and around that time. There's a brown one. That's number two green ones number one.

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And you get a new preserver dry real nice when you're having clam chowder or whatever kind of will drive and you break

Unknown Speaker 36:36
that up into yours.

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That'd be good for you.

Unknown Speaker 36:44
So um, one other foods were they at harvest since like clams are was obviously the big. The biggie. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 36:51
All right Urchins is lots along here to Richard's the big red ones. No, yeah, that's the Facebook. Yeah. That's the one we used to get wrong here. Long in here. Yep. along the outer edge here.

Unknown Speaker 37:10
Along here, I talked to you last year when time he said those things actually kind of migrate around yet. But people used to know the route.

Unknown Speaker 37:19
They go they go with tie, they don't go that way or that way that died runs out. Way to go that the tide goes that way. They go that way. Okay. They travel around three miles or so. Really when the tides moving right to get a huge, massive? Yep.

Unknown Speaker 37:38
They're all following each other around. And there'll be certain spots where you guys would get them? Yep.

Unknown Speaker 37:45
So what time of year would they be on the move say around here? All the time. They're moving all the time to be out there now. Yeah, they don't care. Now. They're they're moving because they fall in this the kelp and seaweed on the bottom the vegetation. Okay, so how would you harvest those things with a spear dip net? Low tide? Yeah, that's okay. Get the scoop.

Unknown Speaker 38:10
And how would you prepare him? Again, just eat him right out.

Unknown Speaker 38:15
Right out of the water. Yeah. Some people like to fry they rolled in flour and fry. Yeah. So I say no. You eat it while it's fresh. It's not moving. It's dead

Unknown Speaker 38:34
Wow. Did they take ducks out around here? Yeah. Oh, here. They used to be just loaded with Merce the ones that migrate smoke North

Unknown Speaker 38:45
mirrors have an Indian name

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that's merged with the loons during here? Yeah. Yeah, no runes and black ducks.

Unknown Speaker 39:01
The black that was the new name for it. Reuters three or four different black ducks that we asked them to favorite for all along. You're in here. Guys, you're eating the jab clan's. Anyway, this Jeff Grant, you'll see black ducks.

Unknown Speaker 39:20
Veggie suave. Oh, and they got some of that crushes for Shell. Actually Manila clam.

Unknown Speaker 39:27
Clam clam that was introduced, wasn't it? Like, you know when it came in that when it was introduced to you? I don't know why. When I grew up, we were digging it already for

Unknown Speaker 39:40
a long time before.

Unknown Speaker 39:44
Okay, so they come off the bottom of the ships. Seeding on the ships and ships came in and they dropped off here.

Unknown Speaker 39:53
I had to be in the ones I had to be in the summertime. Yeah. Because there just takes a certain time.

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May we can clients

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so these these dots how would they hunt them in the old days? Ducks is neck is the net airily down here.

Unknown Speaker 40:14
COVID An aerial net. I've heard that name. Well, that's for certain Daxia air okay.

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But other nets when you get into big clam beds like this, you get some it looks like a table like legs

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all the way around and then a woman Mr. Saw net,

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put it up like this and put it out. They put it maybe six weeks

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tide comes up

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and a crab. Ducks get there Salman don't even watch where they're coming up and they're getting cotton and that's in the water.

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And then after the tide goes down a little bit again, the next step is to show them to go there and harvest all their ducks. Yes. Cool. Would it be nice to like type in

Unknown Speaker 41:04
that stationary? I've never heard of that.

Unknown Speaker 41:06
Yeah, it's stationary. That one

Unknown Speaker 41:11
No, I don't know that one. I just know how to do it. That's not a good one day.

Unknown Speaker 41:18
Yeah. Any kind of network now. You know, where they got so much good nets. Now. You just put the net out. You got them. So that's interesting. So that would be for certain types of decks that

Unknown Speaker 41:34
most most decks that go into that sometimes you'll get gold knives and Saville, whatever happens to become along a beach?

Unknown Speaker 41:44
savills they just chase pencil fish and everything along with the tray and come up with them. They just come up in that net.

Unknown Speaker 41:52
But they're all what are people used to eat anyway? So yeah, how would they prepare those decks? Once a cotton barbecue soup pot rolls on? Definitely yeah. Right. I like black ducks fried.

Unknown Speaker 42:08
Just cut them in half. Lay them in a frying pan and putting it on it. Put as much as you want in there.

Unknown Speaker 42:16
Like that. You gave us the name. Did you have the black ducks? We asked I miss a favorite. They're all in there. Yeah, that area shot bonuses Another one

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was another one

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too

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of course they also used to well in so you think they use aerial nets and here was that would be for a different situation? No, I don't think we used aerial nets here. If they did I don't know what flew through there. Yeah, I guess so. An aerial net would be very different kind of location. Oh, there's there's posts up and bounce was quick. I heard about that. They're still there. It's still there. Yeah, there's one post. That's where they use that that's where they used to Ariel and

Unknown Speaker 43:09
that's for mallards and geese. You don't put it up anytime you go there just before dark put it up. Okay

Unknown Speaker 43:20
can I go around and scare the ducks up

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just before dark

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the next day then you can go check the next year see ducks not getting met today or flew into dark yet

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so that's where there is costs

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interesting beyond the reserve on reserve

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that's what Susie Susie

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sets

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so of course the Panella cats are famous for the

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hot seem to shake.

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Yeah. Ceylon tea lines. Yeah.

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Did your family do that? There's certain families to

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certain families. Yeah, yeah, my family done it

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you know, more and richer, the more she learns for each year. Yeah, the only one reached here is California sea lion.

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That's the only one

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Tuskers don't get here anymore. That was when you guys had to

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come in. Apparently, just by the time

Unknown Speaker 44:50
you know, things are changing so fast. I don't know. We still have all the ducks that migrated used to come and serve beaches.

Unknown Speaker 45:00
You just sit down or you could hear him squat and all night

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you go down there and see what's going on and the old people say no don't kill them don't kill them so that way out in the water don't kill them while they're sitting on your beach with

Unknown Speaker 45:17
had a heart for the ducks.

Unknown Speaker 45:20
Well yeah, I guess yeah the protocol Yeah. Yeah to do or else yeah

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they're on neutral ground when they be the

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certainly the yeah

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let's see, we know the Indian name for this area actually put on up.

Unknown Speaker 45:47
Yeah, she probably heard that name. First beaches.

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Second beaches.

Unknown Speaker 45:55
Could you call gravelly? What is the difference? Yeah. Oh, so what? Could you say it again? The first speech is x the same thing gravel. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 46:07
Just means white beach. Okay.

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That's what they called it.

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And that's where we bought our clients

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real good ones.

Unknown Speaker 46:21
So you don't have to filter the mud. They got gravel to live in. Right. That's where you go for good clams.

Unknown Speaker 46:29
So first and second.

Unknown Speaker 46:34
So would you be able to tell him the snapper? Because you know, there's couples beaches, a beach here with sort of a an estuary and a creek running into it. I wonder if that's first or second? Chose right there

Unknown Speaker 46:54
this is one of them. Right here.

Unknown Speaker 46:58
Oh, must be this one here. First beach. Okay. Just inside the point. They're just right beside each other. So this could be the other one right here. Yeah, because there's a big beach in here. This might be where that

Unknown Speaker 47:12
jet clam races. Oh, in there. That's either here or here. Okay, it's one of these. There's quite a big beach.

Unknown Speaker 47:23
But that's not second beach. No, that's not second. Okay. That's first and second. It was at least this will embarrass loans will embarrass.

Unknown Speaker 47:33
You will embarrass his dad owned it before him visually, sir, to be under his dad's name. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 47:43
You were telling me

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that used to work for a commercial clam. You guys used to go to like long harbor and

Unknown Speaker 47:54
Ganges harbor and long harbor.

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All the middle Bazer.

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We used to leave here and assembled would combine the first one was called the marula Mac is to come here and pick up all the little boats tie them up.

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We stay there and

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then

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Merrimack would pick up all the clams and buy right on the spot.

Unknown Speaker 48:24
Nobody paid and just stay there and wait for him to come back. Take off with the clams to Vancouver or Port Angeles whichever way you want to go or Sydney whoever was buying from him.

Unknown Speaker 48:38
And those were the big,

Unknown Speaker 48:41
big buyers sitting in Port Angeles and Vancouver. vinyle Saltspring. Class. Yeah. What was that? That

Unknown Speaker 48:53
must have been when I was about eight or nine years old. 10 years old. And we used to go on stay right there and dig in the 50.

Unknown Speaker 49:02
Yep, but there must be out there

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that went on for a lot of years. Because Marlin Mac quit. And then the other guy.

Unknown Speaker 49:18
Gabriel came here. His name was Ed Berry.

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And he had a blackboard I forget the name of the book now but I just remember the guy's name was Ed Berry.

Unknown Speaker 49:30
And he used to do that we used to follow the Indians. We've where you're going to be at and we tell them which Bay we're going to be at and he just dictated by our

Unknown Speaker 49:41
silhouette and big potato sack. So that potato 600 pound sacks for butter clams.

Unknown Speaker 49:48
And the jet plans were little 60 pound boxes, little wooden boxes because it breaks too easy.

Unknown Speaker 49:58
And those are all the beaches we do

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argon, across the molecule harbor along there and down that way.

Unknown Speaker 50:06
Those were their favorite cleansing places for better glands. There's such a big market for that long term guys just couldn't understand why there's no more market for it. Yeah, nobody thinks the more nobody thinks butter. Yeah, I know. It's

Unknown Speaker 50:23
it's asking them when they're going to open it up again. They say they may never never open it again.

Unknown Speaker 50:28
I said they're gonna die. Oh, well, I have people eat them anyways.

Unknown Speaker 50:33
Good, fresh. We're gonna have a lot of clams. Oh, well, I was trying to claim to walk and surf. Yeah, no, they technically it's close. But you have gone down there and

Unknown Speaker 50:43
still around. Yeah. They say that about our canal. We could chat. Clemson, they're

Unknown Speaker 50:50
supposed to be close. Yeah. People bring it home and eat it.

Unknown Speaker 50:55
We've got a lot of claims.

Unknown Speaker 50:58
I don't see where how they can say that. Oh, it's called study a way to kind of manage it. I don't know. So did you ever see them cook plans the old way on the beach? Yeah, I still do that. I give classes on how to cook down a beach bury it.

Unknown Speaker 51:18
Could you give us a little description of it just for the record, you dig a little bit because there's a table make sure it's nice and smooth like this.

Unknown Speaker 51:26
Then you align it with rocks with Black Rock, black Blackrock controls called.

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So the rap won't explode when you're heating them up.

Unknown Speaker 51:39
And you line it up. Then you get your two or three sacks of glands and throw it in there.

Unknown Speaker 51:47
After you've heated it up, you gotta heat it up with a big fire. Then you keep looking, see how hot the rocks are. Then scrape the fire out of there and have your clams ready, washed and everything and you pour them in there and then covered with all kinds of seaweeds and kelps and then get a blanket or some uncovered

Unknown Speaker 52:08
maybe 20 minutes time, and the clams will all be open.

Unknown Speaker 52:14
You just pull up, pull up the heavy canvas. We still use every Canvas to cover and

Unknown Speaker 52:21
then you pull it out. can have your clamps right there. That's how these start to dry clams. So many glands you open and pull them out for a month stick right away and put them against the fire wherever you move the fire. That's where you line up the clams and along

Unknown Speaker 52:40
because

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they dry clams.

Unknown Speaker 52:45
Some people used to step on them to get all the water excess water out of cedar branches over it and stuff on the grounds. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 52:55
That's how you instruct your drying of your clams. Now along with the last is dry cleanse all winter.

Unknown Speaker 53:03
They're dried rockhard. Really, some people is taking grinded make butter out of it. Wow. You're Indian butter. Same as

Unknown Speaker 53:15
salmon eggs. You take that your dried raw card. So when a time comes, people can smash it up and make it into butter. Put it down your bread Indian bread.

Unknown Speaker 53:26
So you get water to listen. Well, some kind of well, well not that was just like, Yeah, different whales from yesterday like cod or bullhead. Oil. Salmon

Unknown Speaker 53:41
sockeyes got different kind of well.

Unknown Speaker 53:44
Yeah, different flavors. You can mix your

Unknown Speaker 53:48
whatever you want to make into butter.

Unknown Speaker 53:52
There's an Indian name for that butter.

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Cheese.

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Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 53:59
I guess if we were all talking to me, it'd be easy. Yeah. You get into the sockeye oil. That's

Unknown Speaker 54:07
that's such a Sockeye. Sati and the bowhead is a big one. I forgot the name for that.

Unknown Speaker 54:16
The love from the bullet Yeah. bullhead bullhead you can eat that boy, this is one of the things you'd hear. Yeah, really? All he eats down a bottoms crabs. So when you get him up, and you cook him, he tastes like crabs. way Yes. People are always thinking that's like a

Unknown Speaker 54:38
hungry fish. Yeah, get it off the hook. Yeah, same as a Tommy cod. But they're excellent. Excellent. Wow, we meet some of the kids. Yep, sweet, sweet Tomica out make sure my grandchildren you save the bullet and you save atomic card. You can have the link card

Unknown Speaker 54:59
Yeah,

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Oh, oh, I forgot the name of that board. Well, I know the small one that grew up there under the rocks in just around May. Yeah, their name is squat.

Unknown Speaker 55:14
But I forget the other ones name.

Unknown Speaker 55:16
Those are real fat fish. That's what kind of blues

Unknown Speaker 55:23
they sing under a rock like a frog. Really? Low tide. You hear them? Yeah. You can hear them singing.

Unknown Speaker 55:32
Yeah, we used to go look for them all the time. To eight or 910 Bring it home, cleaned it up. Put it in a square pan, put it in the oven and we'd have a feast. Just come off here. Yes. Well, we're at Rocky. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 55:48
It'd be around our place for sure. Yeah, they wouldn't be they would be and

Unknown Speaker 55:56
also, you told me once about them hunting the porpoise or dolphin? Yeah, they should purpose and shooter should

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count how many times it's common

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for these companies

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123 Then he comes up again.

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Goes down 123 And he comes up again.

Unknown Speaker 56:24
You wait till he's close enough but you count how many times he goes under? Like 1234 Some go 12121231 You've figured out how long it takes them to break water is coming like that. You sit out in a canoe between Norway Ireland and your

Unknown Speaker 56:50
Norway Ireland is fast.

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And you wait

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long waiting for

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your cotton there was one old man used to do that yet as his name was Smith.

Unknown Speaker 57:05
We

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wait for them to get right here and then shoot because you've got only one minute to get through the suspect to seal you've got only one minute to get there won't be that long. Oh yeah.

Unknown Speaker 57:20
They took those are just off here. Yeah, drink them all. Yep. There was so much purpose here before I don't know where they went to after it. Now. There's just no sound come back again. I see them again. Yeah, to see the odd one.

Unknown Speaker 57:33
needs to go and click

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CIG school.

Unknown Speaker 57:38
Even the big long whales, the big long ones not not the killer whale. The big law? Yeah, it'd be great. 64 years. Yeah. Because we're traveling nighttime sometimes coming home and we'd run into one.

Unknown Speaker 57:53
My grandfather would jump up.

Unknown Speaker 57:56
What the hell are you doing here talking Indian to the whales? The well, we'll just

Unknown Speaker 58:02
get out of the shed. What the hell are you doing here?

Unknown Speaker 58:07
You'd be talking Indian to the whale asking him what he's doing here too. I bumped into him.

Unknown Speaker 58:16
So those are gone. The face feedlots in here in?

Unknown Speaker 58:20
Just an hour. Two minutes. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 58:25
Up and down. But that's where all the problems are. So I figured they must have been acted upon.

Unknown Speaker 58:33
And so how are they cookies port really taken for oil are worthless. Yeah. He eats them for me like

Unknown Speaker 58:42
the big grin like tuna. Big sick grain like turkey.

Unknown Speaker 58:53
Seals, of course, they will take you can take all the time all along the time. Are there any special spots around here where the

Unknown Speaker 59:02
while we're we hunted all down was way down on the walls there. There's some reefs down there. Not right down the end. But kind of there. There's a whole pile of rocks there. But yeah, the biggest one there.

Unknown Speaker 59:15
And the seals will always go away. But soon the shoe the boat leave. They're back there and they'll go up again. So how would you get them? So when when we're there. And my grandfather would say you just wait here. They'll be back and I'll be back a takeoff with a bowl.

Unknown Speaker 59:33
So I just wait till there's real big bunch there and start shooting.

Unknown Speaker 59:39
And you'd come back later asked me one day and I said yeah, I'll come in or somewhere that one went belly over there.

Unknown Speaker 59:47
Because there was a hook can look down and triple.

Unknown Speaker 59:51
But the seals were a big bounty on and to us it was big money by dollars and O's.

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If that's how we made our money

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from the valley and you'd also have a big stack of meat, meat

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and oil to

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go live in canoes. Yeah. And

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Secretary Island. No, not secretaries. The bears the one I call burial Island. The name of jackscrew

Unknown Speaker 1:00:27
This is funny. Number six on here actually.

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No.

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These other shelf of rocks right there. Yeah, that's that's a very low Island. Oh, that's very

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and that's that's another favorite place to leak for the shield.

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yourself into that

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kind of shower there. There's a gravel, gravel ledge there. It's a very that's a place named smoke quality smoker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody would call that.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:00
Very violent. But there was no taboo about hunting on it. Nope. There's all the bodies were moved from that island. Oh, there was too much.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:10
People feeling bodies

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like when eaten yet, so we had to take them and move them. Where did they go? Upstairs?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:24
Yeah, I heard.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:25
I don't know if you're familiar with this island. They call it idle islands.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:32
So on this side of Saltspring, outside?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:36
Yeah, yeah. And it's supposed to be very long. Do you notice the name for that place? I don't know the name for that.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:46
My grandfather to go look there. And he says, Nope. Can't go there. And that was the end of it. I just didn't question.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:54
But that must be why very alignment to

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notional girl because she said he's lost his brother. He put his brother out there and

Unknown Speaker 1:02:05
all the bones were gone.

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sterile?

Unknown Speaker 1:02:10
Yeah. Lots of bones come back. We don't know. We got them back.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:17
involved in this thing here. It could have been. Yeah, it's there's a lot of bones out there. Yeah. In the middle. We still got bones laying there. I couldn't move it because I couldn't get a dig permit. But we could see the body. The bodies two bodies laying under the pipe just under the pipe. Really. So they're still there. I put a marker there. I put some marks there and little white pig.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:43
It's there. They're so how about those guys? They said in the paper recently, they're going to respect First Nations?

Unknown Speaker 1:02:51
Well, they don't respect as much because you're putting putting pipes over putting pipe through our burial place. That's that's not respect. No.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:03
That's not respect to what they call respect. I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:08
I told them to and last time I went to court with God, they don't respect nobody. They don't respect themselves. What they're doing, they're destroying burial sites.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:25
At chain

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stone, so it's shameful I think. But you know, I

Unknown Speaker 1:03:33
can't imagine how you guys feel about it. Weren't the argument actually, there's no connection. They said, You guys have not proved that this is your place. I mean, which to me is ridiculous. Yeah. What kind of groups they want? Yeah. I just Well, when they said that to me. I just said well, who was here first?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:54
I can remember being here but I can't remember all the rest of you being here.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:00
Should it should be you guys proving

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to we don't have Yes. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:07
Well, that's

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that's kind of stuff we go through that we have to prove everything that we do. Well, then far we've done

Unknown Speaker 1:04:21
we've got camping grounds as far down as Neah Bay. That's last one I seen was a Neah Bay and another island to stop this way from Neah Bay.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:36
It's just that deception pass and you cross a bridge and there's an island there.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:42
That island

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on the Washington Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's another big campground for people. So when you say our people, is this an elephant people, people in there. Lots of people went there, but I remember going there to declines to interest just

Unknown Speaker 1:05:00
Be aware just go away there's no wine

Unknown Speaker 1:05:03
longtime call my grandfather all the while but that

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guy's a white man used to come on a big boat

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stay on that side

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my grandfather would be waiting to come by and go through Friday Harbor

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stay on that side and they'd follow us all the way into Friday Harbor we tie up

Unknown Speaker 1:05:26
they tell us to stay away you're not supposed to be here

Unknown Speaker 1:05:31
oh we're just going to visit my relatives over there.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:35
And we had family on that island Yes. Good family on the next hour that we were going there you want to follow us there you

Unknown Speaker 1:05:49
couldn't remember his English name but his Indian name was Husky he is live on that island

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many small family

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go down and visit

Unknown Speaker 1:06:05
and he had Indian names for that island and it couldn't can't remember it a pub come back later. Roy and Andrew might not they used to go to new race really? They're these old key races on that reserve. Now they all didn't like honor it's just the next reservable reframe

Unknown Speaker 1:06:28
would be Ireland would be I think his name of that that's yeah that's the island was yeah with the island yeah yeah incredible place

Unknown Speaker 1:06:40
Yeah, so used to go to Walker sick when you were little was this tree before in the old days? I never seen trees there was always open that was

Unknown Speaker 1:06:49
there they said it was full of trees. That man said he remembers it was full of trees and I said I don't think so. When I got there it was

Unknown Speaker 1:06:58
those fruit trees and the house there and we should talk with the people there yep.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:07
Valley Sullivan here. Yeah, right. There's still remains of those. You can still see the or the housewives and you know the thing it's there's a fireplace it was made out of rock. It's still there in that area. It's not quite in the fruit trees kind of off to the little bit nicer fruit trees. Yeah. But we will eat buried a lot of these bones up here next to a maple tree. Oh, yeah. We buried a lot of the bones there remains.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:37
So how did you guys feel? Because originally you were doing they already guys to go in and kind of supervised. And then what changed? What happened? They they didn't want us to help pick up for me. And that's our job to do your work? Yeah. They didn't want to do that. Because they were worried about it like they were they were they wanted the artifact I think. And we never did ever see the artifacts that were taken from there. That's odd. We went to court. We come back. we're this far and we still don't know about the artifact. What are they going to do with it?

Unknown Speaker 1:08:13
I know legally they're supposed to come up with a report like three months after they find this stuff, but they keep delaying it because I'd like to know that too. Yeah. There was that one fancy little rock there to curve in the middle and had a hole there. The anchor rock

Unknown Speaker 1:08:30
was a nice little piece that you saw from one of the great Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:36
I say we've got to put that rock back on when you're done with it. We got to put it back when we rebury and then right back

Unknown Speaker 1:08:43
there was some spirits made out of bones I never brought that back wrong ones about this long. Really

Unknown Speaker 1:08:52
little jagged hooks and like Barb's Yeah, they must use that for spearing so that was a long bone spirit

Unknown Speaker 1:09:03
keeping it a locked up

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well

Unknown Speaker 1:09:13
you know who's got to take that Walker's hook is Bob Rice. Bob Bob Rice. Yep. Or sponsors.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:22
Both of them meditate about walkers hook. Really? Like often talk in history on Walker. Wow. So there might be some Indian names out there. When did they make that?

Unknown Speaker 1:09:36
When we first started fighting, also as part of the court case, I think it is but if you were to talk about Bryce I bet he'd open up and tell you about Saltspring is clamping down there too.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:50
That's who I started with climb begin him and Jack Dr. Richard drugs but all those other guys passed away already. But Bob was there he's quite old man.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:03
Bernie erase. He's really old man. He lives up in Malahat. Visa guy. He's old man. He's got a lot of history. But

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no, I couldn't actually been looking for him. He lives in Malahat Malahat for sure, if you just ask we're running a race. So once you add boughs there, we just show up there and ask for any race. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. We've got a phone line. That's how I tried to contact them through the phone.

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I'll try and get a phone number next time I see his kids.

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That'd be awesome. Then. I'll get a whole year from now. So

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if you like the elder brother of Illinois, he's the older cousin. Cousins. I think he's a cousin of.

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He's the older Billy race in that family. Billy right.

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Here you see right down, right. That's right. That's Ellen White's family.

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Yeah. Bob Bryce is younger brother. Yeah. They used to live there.

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I visited him years ago. Bob. Yeah. How's his wife doing Emily? Yeah.

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She wasn't well, that's a few years ago, but I've been out of touch

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sharing

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but actually Bob every now and then he's pretty good shape. Yeah, he drives Yep. Yeah, no, I I'll tell him. Yeah, because he's on the way to see Henry Edwards. See them both probably. And talk to them.

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He has the name. Cath Lab

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says anything

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Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

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Yeah

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that's him

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Do you think anybody else offhand that might be able to help us with Salt Spring?

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Anybody from halt in that area? Because they must have used salt spring.

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Community server people. Gee, I really don't know you could ask around. But I don't remember any of them.

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They're part of our reserve cube brown daily. We split at a certain time 50s I think

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they're part of our reserve here. But the working people stayed on that side because the tremendous

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and I don't know of any of them tray they must have traveled to salt when they had to was so close. Yeah, I think they just Boothbay is right there. It's climb digging ground and Burgoyne is the biggest claim.

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Yeah, really. So

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you told me once it certain days were better for certain types of Clans? Is that sort of true or

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any days Good day but the tides which watch Yeah, tides are really good. A good zero pad you dig parklands? If you did a path tides, broken tides, you get chapped glands. Because you're closer and

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closer up to the beach.

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We really watch the tide on that day. So But was there any difference in quality?

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Like, certain clams from certain beaches? Well, yeah, there's there's certain places you go. You don't want to chase the money clams. And that was a favorites offspring. They're all gravel. Yeah. Because if you go down here and declines and you hit it a mud Beach, there's real good burgers. They'll taste Murray.

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Even if you soak them in while you collect purge, you just put it in a bucket and leave it out there. They'll clean themselves. Yeah. Who's gonna wait that

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way so similar to my grandfather used to hang them up in a bucket, drilled four holes and used to hang a bucket and leave it there. They clean themselves.

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off it's muddy in here. Yeah. clean themselves up, leave it hanging off the border off a buoy or some day clean themselves matter of a couple of days.

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No case money.

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Interesting. So yeah. And he talked to people on couch and they always mentioned this part of the island as being you know, good clam area. Yeah. Apparently that people can couch and came there too. Yeah.

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I never seen Oh, we never all traveled together. We always you know, managed to be in different places at different times. While us islands were a good place for better clams.

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big golf shots

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Yeah, that's that's a good

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one further back on you say on the last island on Wallops Island there's a good good beach there.

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For butter clams used to be a lot of moisture I think somebody picked it out and showed it

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in a new name for Wallace

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I can't

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remember but I know the names of them though passes and schmutz and wire

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but I can't remember the names of the islands but the past the past is the name William quiet. Where's that? That's the next one from Sean Matson. Maxim's right here the first one

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that Secretary

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I got

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this is from Watson. Okay. And this next one is quiet. Okay

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next one down is combat there's little island there.

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Reef and it splits the island.

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It's here somewhere I think he has a lot of butter clamps there but in here we got privacy or shoots. That's where we get our sea urchins. That'd be the main place to get

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lost

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Do you remember seeing any signs of any will need attacks on their houses? Oh, rock house used to be there along Wallops Island. It's still there right now. It's just a marker. And I guess I don't know. Yeah, I've heard of that place. Yeah, I've been there. And I looked at it and I couldn't figure out who might have lived there.

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There's even an old chimney

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found a foundation have a chimney there.

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I think there's one on this end to

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the first Wallace island so you go on a beach you look up there's old chimney right there

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how long it's been there idle

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used to make the communities on the rocks.

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The pilot? Yes. Yes. How to make a chimney

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the grout who would live there? He says my grandfather he said he didn't know either.

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Scrap you don't know.

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can't know everything.

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So when you can't find a place like this, what kind of structures would you put up? You don't put any sleep on a boat.

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Or put a lien to off the logs.

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You know, blankets under? blanket over so the moist don't come down?

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We always pack canvas. Like canvas. skate on a boat? Oh, yeah.

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He says in case we get stuck then we're gonna put it up for sale he says

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that's interesting that

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that's the way I carry my boat around

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the canvas so it's probably

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later sort of innovation on the old Matt. Nice to have a nice view

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to the maps or maps. Yeah, out of

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Bora Bora.

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That's what they used for

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scenes you lay on stuff like your walls I mean is purpose. Everything you can pretty well do anything.

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After it's dried too long winded.

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Oh, you always make another one Blackboard granny make an island. That's right. What about you recall any use or mentioned a belay consulting the big St. Mary's like

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my grandfather never told me anything about that. You know, I'm sure there's a lot of use for that. Yeah, I know.

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Henry told me that. He's not there. It'd be deer and elk hunting before the alcohol killed off.

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It'd be certain spots on the lake and we've been waiting for them to come down to the water. Yeah.

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We've been harvesting cedar and stuff with the people from Cooper. I guess they just get it locally. Air locally. Yes. But anywhere you went, you got you got some? Yeah, anywhere we went. Right. We ran that Walker so we go up and get medicine. Make tea.

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Eat

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medicine tea with

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wild blackberries, low Willow.

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Red Willow, white willow

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there's three different willows we got.

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One of them is good for tea.

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Can't remember the name of it, but I can when I see it, I know the reddish one. The reddish ones a little. Okay.

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It's just a painkiller. That one, the red, the red one

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you'd like to use the bark, use of bark and fade scrapped a sap off it like this. That's, that's a painkiller for people's

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eyes. My grandfather says, Oh, you go get that for me. And it's great. It's nice. What do you do that?

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Grandma's got arthritis, she needs painkiller.

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So

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those are things

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that just popped in my head. I've come across references to a wild radish or sunning Indian carrots. You ever heard of stuff like that? I don't know what? These these to harvest someone Saltspring wild radish. It's kind of hot. They're white in their book this long. Yeah.

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Yeah, you can get those. Do you need for those? No, I don't know the Indian name for it. But I know you pick it from the gut stocks are about this big. Yeah, like a plant. You go and pull it in as their carrier curates their white parcel numbers. Yeah, well, parsnip is supposed to be hot spicy. I don't know I've never had it. Yeah, I've never had had that either. My grandfather would just say well no we're not picking off

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I said why not? He said was

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all hyped

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we picked other stuff like potato wild potatoes that way

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those islands out that way Oh, so the wild potatoes with says that the Canvas? Canvas I guess Yeah. So you actually did you get that in itself or Yep. picked it out there.

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Oh god Gabrielle Adam rely okay, there's really lots out there. Really? They got stocks about that beginning of blue flowers on

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it. Pick goes there you got River

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and how they prepare those things.

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Oil boiler, boiler

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cameras. It's another plant these people use a lot anymore.

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And it's dying out because it needs people actually That's right. You got to cultivate it or it's gonna die. It's just like our clams. We don't cultivate it they're gonna die. Why what's

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really behind that? It's just the clams they grow and they die. They die nobody there to

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get them before they die there had to be just going to be dead it's going to stink. So it just be full of dead and the shells I guess. Yeah, but shells will be just there. That's really interesting. You got a parameter.

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They're dead

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they do a clan and a lot more.

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You take the big one. Leave the little ones to grow. Take the big ones.

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You guys harvest the jack clams to watch the big ones. Or you call it a horse planning what's the next size up?

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I often come across them in

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the big ones. First clams, I guess Yeah.

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Yeah, we take closer. They're sweet. Sweet, they're sweet. Yeah. People some people just take the novice part cook because they're so sweet.

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Some people just take the sack part of the climb the stomach It's gone.

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And they won't take the notebook

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over here on this out this people harvest this and they won't harvest that you ask them why now they splenic to sweep the nose to sweet stick the sack by the stomach by a clamp

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there's a lot of different things we don't do no more.

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Even the horse clowns hardly any people dig that.

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Water clams. Yeah.

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Because clamps to go into Koco

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we used to walk around all day barefoot kitten Caicos because you can feel them under your feet. Yeah, get a digging stick and just pry

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right out. Yeah, no, I love them.

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Good clams

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boil boil them up, put them through the grinder and make clam patties.

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cockles. That's so good. Same as ours clams.

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They're so sweet.

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They're not tough. No. Wow.

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Yeah, of course clams.

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Yeah.

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That's the nose. Yeah. And you skin them out

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black skin and then grind them make them in a clam patties

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the name of your grandfather, we've got the name of your grandfather.

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Dazzle. Charlie. Charlie. Yes.

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Pardon?

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Basil Cherny as your Dad No.

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In one book that he's written down as my father that I wrote with them. Yeah. And in that book, they called me August.

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We're in a picture standing together. They sent basil currently in August.

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And I always tell them no, that was August Sylvester not August.

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Obviously this thing I got this from Wayne Suttles, but the Panella cuts village he recorded from a fellow named Leo Mitchell that's

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that's done Mitchell's father. Don Mitchell is down here on their lease.

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But here he just gave them a list of the houses

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and the different owners

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slap Kanye it's Jimmy Jimmy right there the first one

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so see

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Johnny

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know a lot of these people have Harlesden?

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harveston XLR that's the one that

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Dan Johnson

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how harveston

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of CMOS how female

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called SEMA I think

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David Johnny or Dave Peter

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occupied by Peter and his sons

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unseen

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unseen

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David Johnny

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I think that was the one that

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that name I was looking for.

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And seeing that old man I was looking for that

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guy was Johnny he was a mailman you would dealt with delivering mail. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, this this was him I think is Johnny is one of Johnny's or PL but they were both brothers but one was called PL and one was Johnny

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PL He went that way. You bring the mail

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I think that's his brother.

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Yeah, fast can read them. Yeah, that one.

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I think one of

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his families that name and fame Royce,

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Henry's Henry's son

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I don't know how to say that when

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Henry effort What do you remember for Henry's name? In Your name? Henry Edwards. Yeah.

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No, I don't I took timer.

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I had it written out.

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No, I don't

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Is that the one you were trying to say?

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No, no, no, I don't know the secret Alexa dancey for let's

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see how writes it.

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So let's clean

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Don't

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hammock and Jack

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and then

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here's

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that your granddad's in your name no

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but he lived in a house or had something to do with it. Yep see if she'd Cardston WHAT DO WE son just named that Dennis Charlie's name see it but

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there's little Charlie's name is Hi quadrate

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whoo I don't know that Salem I would leave that one. Yeah, yeah he wasn't sure actually when settles wrote this all down this is written down in 49 and he wasn't sure if it's all accurate Yeah

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boy these names are lost a bit

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I'll make a copy of that and give it to you send

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it by some elders yeah and get names property because lots of these names are lost like Leslie Sam's name and Bill Sam

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well that could be useful then

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there was another one that called Elmer use Walker the same bunch of boys. His name's Elmo Bill Sam's younger brother.

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I don't see his name here

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and what's your new name?

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So if you don't say hey, well

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I guess an old name from Syria? Nope. But

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my grandfather lived in Kochi where?

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Fella Okay. Wholesalers in your name of that cooks I was originally Okay.

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Well, my grandmother was from Lysa.

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So we're so we were looking at a mystery on

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Fulford harbor. You know, there's sort of a disputed coleford Harbor but between Saanich and college and ownership. Yeah. And we've heard this story. There was a guy lived on the reserve in the 20s with his wife and his name was Charlie.

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And some people say it was Tennant. Charlie or tennis to a neck. cornet.

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Net Yeah, yeah, that could be and I can't remember the name is Weiss. Yeah. Before

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they disappeared. Something happened to them.

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Does that ring a bell about? No, I kind of remember a man named Tony in

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in the wholesaler area. That's where he was from. There are people out to golf and camps and places out there.

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And cute. Brian had one long house on that in Salt Springs.

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We mean that in that sounds really bad Kubra on that and Biggles there.

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And they had one engine obey

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these things I

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don't know too clearly whereabouts in Saltspring on that. And

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now when you So when would that be once a certain specific family would have that house? And then what kind of house all the people when they traveled, they all stayed someone? Oh, one other places. So anybody here? Anybody could have stayed there? Yeah, it'd be down in the south into Salt Spring. Yeah, that would be our house.

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Stop there. If it was Juno's they know what Bay is? Yeah, that place I guess the tunnel.

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I don't know. The name

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has something to do with paint

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what Tomas

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could be yes.

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Because that's the name I just heard my grandfather would be on there. And then that end Saltspring goes along asking price on that they're actually now people talk about oh, we own that. You might own that park that nobody ever

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on anything that was all the shared places that we

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have people that own their own house here. Yeah.

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Yeah, and your own like camping, designated camping area where everybody went, Yeah, everybody went there. When the salmon was coming through that narrows this way to come to the river. Our people went there and intercepted the salmon, harvest all the code from dogs and springs,

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dry smoke and then bring it home.

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So those are different camping grounds for people. Interesting.

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There'll be an Indian name for a campground, temporary one,

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a temporary one

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real old home like this. Some like they say they own everything here.

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Think Colorado stone that

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really owned area. We own everything here. Even the ocean

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stone

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got a lot of different ways to say it. But that's where we sit here and Cupra

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our meeting for it.

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And we're houses given individual names like meal days, and they had these big houses along the beach yet, because

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it's just so unfair. If you had a house here that your house and your engine nameless, okay, that house and then when you pass on it, whatever the next sort of, it doesn't just go to anybody, it goes to the next strongest person in

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your household.

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All all people

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listen to the owners of each longhouse. They were the leaders.

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Person of the own the longhouse and was given a long house or own that long house, he was the smart person

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to tell you where to hunt, where to fish, what time of the year to be there, what time of the year to be so what family or to be there.

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He knows where all the food is.

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He knows which way they're coming.

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You know, you don't, you don't just go somewhere and say, Oh, no, they're going to come right by here, which gotta wait, you're waiting there forever. Nothing coming through there. You got to know all these little things.

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The car are going to move, they're not going to come here. They're not going to come right here to you. You got to go to a certain route, each route each delivery.

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They're not going to stay there. When they're finished spawning, they're gonna move away. You got to know where they're going.

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If you don't know that you're gonna start to get your people pick you for a leader in the morning. They won't tell you where to go and fish.

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And that, that knowledge have come from like 1000s of years of living here and being passed down. Yep. From notice I like to say to you, you What is it to be an elder they tell us that

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this is a part of it.

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This is a part where you got to know where you can tell your children say well you go to and you point on a map and trauma factory where this is where the rock on Airbnb, this is where the

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red snappers are going to be. This is where the bullets are. This is where the Claude Fisher

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you got to know all these little things. And you just wait for the spring salmon winter springs you're going to come here. They're going to be here in December. That's what time they're here to ground out the front

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springs.

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So you want to catch a big red spring salmon This is where your fish I don't know if they still come here a long time since I rolled really you can just throw off with Aaron office fit here out Long Beach and outdoors nowhere Island and come back in.

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In the spring salmon we're always here

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is number five or number four Super diamond

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was our favorite spoon. Yeah

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that was the economy.

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So people made their living had to have that exact knowledge. Yeah.

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Because I remember our people hanging fish in the long houses to smoke in a reuse smoke overseas long

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window here like really I'm here. They just found it out.

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They got long, long.

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Little trees long once and they put it near

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They hang up fish on another stick to pick up on a ladder and

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they don't hang it over the seats otherwise you'd be getting dripped on

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the over the center Yeah, just off to the fire not exactly center where the fire is just kind of off to one side where it's just smoke and no eat.

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And so I assumed each family would have their own little section. They're all not probably too close together they

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think it's smoke like that. Right?

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I guess things have changed like the old days. I guess everyone has their own longhouse like the families now it's a communal well, when I'm time ago they did have

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different families. Like one family here in one corner. Like this is a long house. Yeah, one family here one family here one family here one family or one family.

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They all had their own fire in front of

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in each corner.

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One day sure food and they walk around with it to share.

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But we

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there was houses that were shared, like a community owned, like one family had,

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like I might have about four or five brothers. I let him stay in my house. We all live in that house.

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So it's probably the week goes on a week long to ensure our

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the leader of that house has picked

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details what to do where to go where to onboard a fish where the artist or things where to do clams.

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Cuz you don't over dig anyplace.

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And when somebody wants to know some, they'll say, who's your elder?

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And Hispanic, by the knowledge, how much you know? Yeah.

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All those things are with the elders have to knows where to harvest what time of the year they're going to come out. What, when, when is deer going to have these orange ones and you're going to be fat

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at one difference as a little notch coming out of the ground.

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That's when a deer is going to be sworn back.

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To me it's gonna be the

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same time they use that for washing their hair to a woman difference. So they have good hair, black hair, as well as the skunk cabbage.

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All those things we don't use anymore. We don't do that anymore. People are too much shampoo and soap

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inside. Yeah, that's it because we've heard that story. Similar stories from members that are all told us about go fishing at a certain time when the Ocean Spray was in a certain room. Do you remember any other plants that sort of give you that

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kind of

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information? Yeah.

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I was wondering how the elders would

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you know they didn't watch your newspaper. So how would they did you just complain about the hummingbirds the hummingbird hummingbird get here in its end of April and the striped fishing springs out the goal the first springs in the goals of the golf you guys for all the way out there and stay out there week for them because that time when there's hummingbirds for skinnier the fish is going to be able to go

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we used to always our favorite place within k will be we used to cancel on there give it a Bald Mountain and outside

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that's our camping grounds all our people

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fish out

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that's tied runs not with the island like this. It runs in WoW back and forth.

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Fraser River

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a different stream

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that comes in like that goes out on the beaches. So the fish back and forth needs to stay longer dropped.

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You want to go meet them then you control all the way out because tide comes straight in from

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the Gulf

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that's when the fishing really status on that April. The hummingbird shows up yep, start thinking about your calendar at your desk a guy come to remind you you got to go fishing

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other things often anything like that.

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I was going to tell you that's what they used to hummingbirds for was a bait

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a shiny red spot no shiny green spot but dogs died on an old so when you put in the water it's spinning like this way and Greenwoods reused for the springs and the red ones are used for the goals

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so we that's why they were waiting for the hummingbirds

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Yeah How the heck with the character hummingbird shooting with a slingshot

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yeah

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they come so close to sit down a beach and some people can just throw a rock and hit them

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they take plane part and go give it to their fisherman whoever is a fisherman in their family.

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They know what to do with it.

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I used to do that from my grandfather. I try no we use common bridge for the bait. Never heard that. Yeah, that's the spinner. little spinner is that

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sometimes you can see your lower back there. You can just see the official necom and hit the big splash disease a decon? Yep that is a big gun that's a party tie onto the hook

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put it through like that the flat part tears he's just the big comes up through the hook

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and then you tie the beak onto the shaft part. And so the hook could be down under that where the breast is where the shaft where the where the

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bent part

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and that's how you fish spring salmon

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but they're all in that time and debate people around there

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they're so shallow and there's so plentiful you just you just put it down there put it down there there. Now we use climax we don't use common breaks that are still our calendar. So hummingbird Yeah, tell you what other things in the calendar would be clues

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well that's one of them.

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Yeah, nature one that we use when the first wind comes you know winter time we watch for that first wind because ducks are common with that when Northwind Yeah, it's like a week or so ago I noticed that first

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right after summer and they really blow fire ignited while they're bringing a duck some of my grandfather used to say the ducks

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because we can't go that way they bring a duck here

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and it's true long time ago it used to be so much ducks here and now we've got nothing

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to change and some mess. Like what about daring enough to be important here it's a big it's a big food that doesn't it's one of the first thing that shows up in in end of March March you can wait for them to find come up on a beach

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and you miss the first bond all you'll get next Bond is this little one small one but the first one's always big ones big so that's one people would wait for

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you they know what's coming in.

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They just watch for it you gotta watch for it. Yeah, the favorite place as well was down into Thetis in this bag Lambay and yellow point those were the favorite spots for hearing we keep hearing it they come right in this come right along this beach.

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There was so much that they come on a beach and the march it's already in daylight that was to run along the beach defeated them up with a

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little boy I remember doing that

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there's so much

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now there's hardly any

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last year I went out last winter and all I come home with was little one small little ones like

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those are errands or babies

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that's like everything else just fishing it out too much.

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Selling them

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What do you know about protection between Connecticut and call Meltzer the what? The connection like?

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Like, I'm interested in that village that was on the south end of Cooper comesa Yeah, and they must have used assaults by those guys. While we're still on reserve. Yes. So the early amalgamated.

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That's right saturation energies reserve. Yeah. Yeah. Same, same island get same. Same bunch of people, right. Lots of those people.

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never came back. Lots of those people that lived there are gone now. They're they're not here

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where they went I don't know there's Indian names in that area in the in the archives. Nobody knows who belongs to

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the last bunch of comeback was a Wilson's from acrosser

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Rocky Wilson That's right. I guess family. Those guys these flip down here will make

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I think some of them look down on Saltspring.

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Girl Yeah. Yeah

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exactly

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the same name acre for the end. Exactly the same. Yeah.

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We hear that. I'm not sure if it's both the same name. But I hear my grandfather say that.

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I don't know if he meant that one. Or this one. Actually pointed which way we're going

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so that's

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we had family and main island. That's why you travel that way. Oh, yeah. Family. They're escaping that.

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Right.

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Jax, Jax. That's the only ones I remember. Yeah. Still some living there. I don't know. They still live there. The last time I remember they were still there.

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Did your grandpa ever talked about going to the freezer because you know, the old days are the people who used to go every year Lulu Island used to talk about Blue Island all the time.

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It's one of our favorite places. He says that's where we go to start when the fish come up. They're gonna bring Sam and he says

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when people lined up to go that way when the winds kind of blowing North when they go to train.

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Train ahead.

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That's a big bay on the other end of Valdez

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get the sails ready to sail? Captain. They wait for a kind of little half decent wind not a real big wind otherwise they'll flip over that they shouldn't have ClearPass they don't go up the Fraser River they shoot independent paths right in there. I don't take long to get there on the sail across so that's it. So everybody they'll go once Yep, so they go and the days are ready to go everybody didn't go all at once. Maybe two or three can log in they go across groups.

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Groups when they're ready to travel they travel together certain families all travel

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up the Fraser yeah

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yeah, it should still do it. Yeah

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that's where they used to trap fish build little like a weird when we're in coaching Yeah, well they build one like that over there like this come to be the like that

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they leave that part open or shoot through to Fisher kneaded there

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pull them up

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sample in a boat

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but that's where it's so flat and shallow and I can while they could do it that way Yeah, fish should be coming in

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but you never went over and did that don't that's too long ago for me yeah

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took over the air

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they had one of those that Pender islands do in the bay there we're yeah like that. Just like that. Trap all the fish

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they had nowhere to go except in net.

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That's all all tall. sapling for measured fish couldn't fit through the article. They were herded into it.

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nowhere to go except crap.

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