125_Tom-Koppel_Kanakas.mp3

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11.o3.2024

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Speaker 1 0:01
But there was one piece. He said that there have been 1000s dozen alliances, but also, he mentioned the Hudson's Bay Company, although they weren't very involved in California, they had you mentioned that something over 1000 wind has gone with the Russian American company. Here's what the Russian American company knew that based on whaling, and as seen other references to a few of them. Pacific, of course, ships everywhere and Hawaiians could end up there, they ended up going right across the continent and fought in the War of 1812. So it was not impossible that few Hawaiians have gotten to Alaska, but the 1000s I was beginning to see that, at most 500, who had started the Hudson's Bay Company, and that was considered a fairly large group. It doesn't sound like 1850 for the total non native population of Vancouver Island, the columns from the 405, and does the lines on the sides of the numbers to figure out the 1000. And always check every secondary, leave a secondary source, find somebody else and some of the research and they put this down. I didn't always get secondary sources. But here was one that I thought what was the footnote on? Try to, unfortunately, again, our archives and Victoria documents. Okay, this number came from a report of last comment on what to support. Okay. That's what, but that was also and it was proposed to another Oh, they will be assassinated, please. Translated from the German. And it turned out that it was 1000 to 9000. A peninsula in Alaska. And so these were Native Indian residents. Tonight. There was a translation,

Unknown Speaker 2:31
you could take it

Speaker 1 2:35
seems like it wasn't really her fault. It had to go back to steps to find that out. The funny thing is that I happened to be journalists in the Soviet Union. By amazing coincidence, the woman journalists who was taking me around in St. Petersburg. She invited me to her house, and her husband was a naval. Russian naval is probably one of maybe 10 people, or reunions would have known about the blind. But this is such a 19th century Russian naval exploration in the Pacific. And so they're again, they're able to have a little bit of a gap about the Hawaiians. And he knew all about him, but he also knew they were no 1000s. Know 1000s.

Speaker 1 3:46
of magazines, and you're making packet trails, bad aspects of historical mistakes can speak in the most amazing ways. Thank you have something really come down? For sure. And then it turns out to be wrong. I had an example of this almost got into the book. And in fact, if it hadn't been for the last minute, I never would have found out this error. So somebody later pointed out to me after the public, there was a fellow who worked for the Hudson's Bay Company for more than in the Vancouver Island, and then we went to work for some Catholic missionaries on horrible down Island up there.

Speaker 1 4:43
The missionaries eventually moved on. permission for coffee. And he settled on an island with his native Indian wife one of the people had My name is George, I want to come into the Hudson's Bay Company represents Komodo islands now. This is gorgeous. I always look to the archives to try to find out. When did the people die? Sometimes it's the only time people like that were ever mentioned. And there was an obituary.

Unknown Speaker 5:33
five sided refers to him as a valued member of communities of the Native community. People married women as close as possible. So I didn't think

Unknown Speaker 5:55
it was interesting because they didn't. He had a Hawaiian name that would have, so I was sure that that died. And then I came across another reference to his other live

Unknown Speaker 6:19
floppy floppy, didn't know what she was doing. An article could have taken somehow somebody else's long. One person says without a footnote, the family story. So am I going to touch the obituary that I that I read? I talked to the obituary. And then I would have to say, gathering photos contacted by a guy who's

Speaker 1 7:01
really bored had died at alert say in 1895 at the age of 56, the other guy with 295. If I hadn't gotten this extra piece of information, the whole story I was found with that error as I was absolutely right. At the documentation

Unknown Speaker 7:39
lucky thing happened to me in the course dragged on for years and years.

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During this time, of course, connected descendants began.

Speaker 1 8:08
Now, of course, a lot of things related to each other by marriage. So there had been some connection, but they had not really systematically tried to get together. But that started four years ago, and they started having this annual get together, they call the Hawaiians connection. The first one was held at Fort Langley. Third one in Ireland, they had a big market for wonderful events

Unknown Speaker 8:48
I began to finish and I began to be even more depressed for people I never would have run into otherwise. There was for example, a family called Johnston descended

Unknown Speaker 9:13
on the craziest

Speaker 1 9:15
part to keep alive in a new book mother, the auditor Hawaii, this guy's mother was Hawaiian and father was

Speaker 1 9:31
the father than born in the Gold Rush, California to local constancy in Hawaii and married Hawaiian woman, they ended up in British Columbia both places in New Westminster and they said that their son was put through seamanship school, and he became a captain on one of his ships on the ferry It was considered to be the most elegant, the newest and most elegant first time on the line and I never would have known about

Speaker 1 10:16
finding out about that error by myself that also came to somebody I met and it was only the very last the most recent of these Hawaiian connections that I had mentioned that was probably the moral of the story is I shouldn't have waited another three or four years find the answer to any lingering question. publication itself once I was even done for the first publication itself as a more detailed domain name, but I my books back for a year at UBC and in the end, after a year of singing along and assuring me that they published popular and academic books their publication committees not academic it wasn't here radical theoretical migration theory and I was very disappointed because I I didn't academic myself I thought if this is the way to go, you know, there's always popular presses but really since I've done all this research was 75 pages of endnotes How can I throw that out the window but that was the story so after wasting years of my time back to square one our Republican base took six months to not decide either when finally it was getting to be courageous anxious about it. And I had mentioned there was a luau last year for that I had an article assignment for Equinox magazine and they liked the idea very much it was going to be a real well and they were going to be extended professional photographer which they did I could project forward and say okay, that article is likely to come out now in 1995 but if the book is out, that will be a shame for all here I have this book I'm going to be getting publicity from economics wouldn't be terrible if I began to find out that it was no more Mr. Nice Guy sent off to one person called a couple of other publishers I knew they'd known about it I really have to know within a week or two and I sent it off to the public and so I ended up going with quite a big job. So the book came out in February now I've been doing interviews they range a bit for me and the media states now

Speaker 1 13:43
that that's going a little sooner it's finally getting started now in the states they have high hopes the Americans

Unknown Speaker 13:57
Washington Oregon and Hawaii finally gone off to a good start reversal device so one of the people asked me well I told him about how people like Jackie handoff and the role of family how they track down their relatives and alliances based on that.

Speaker 1 14:33
Did any of them decide to say that they love Hawaii so much and one of the stories and look at okay, why has a blind Come here? How can you imagine? So he said when he's Hawaiian consulting islands went back to I didn't know this is the paradise.

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Speaker 2 15:23
I think you can see, by the way, causes focus this organization that we're privileged to have that we now have a presentation here by Ken McKenzie, on the Canadian National who said tremendous reports from people like others that have done research on doing research. We're lucky we're very lucky.

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Speaker 1 16:50
But there was one detail. He said that there have been 1000s dozen alliances but also to mention the Hudson Bay Company, although they weren't very involved in California. She mentioned that something over 1000 coins has gone with Russian American companies appears that the Russian American company and I've seen other references to a few of them. In Chaska, in the Pacific. Of course, ships go everywhere and suitable for warming up there. They ended up going right across the continent and fought in the War of 1812. So it was not impossible that a few Hawaiians have gotten the last 1000 I was beginning to see that at most. So it's 500, who has served with Hudson's Bay Company. And that was considered a fairly large group. It doesn't sound like a large example of 1864 total non native population of Vancouver Island, which is a colony of the Fortune 500 Hawaiians on the West Coast, it's a sizable number, the figure 1000s. And always check every secondary, secondary source, find somebody else to fund the research and they put this down. I didn't always get secondary sources. But it was one that I thought what was the footnote on and try to track it down? Unfortunately, again, our archives and Victoria Dawson documents this number came from a report the last comments on one of the reports in Alaska that's what but that was also and it was supposed to another report seems to have been translated from the German it turned out that it was 1009 snapper in Alaska and so these were native Indians that didn't there was a translation you could take it on. Well

Unknown Speaker 19:26
wasn't really had to go back to find that out. The funny thing is that I happened to be in Tokyo by an amazing coincidence, woman journalists who was taking me around in St. Petersburg. She invited me to a home her, and her husband was a naval Hassan

Speaker 1 20:06
is probably one of the 10 people in the union who would have known about the Hawaiian. But his specialty was century Russian naval exploration as a professor. And so there again, we'll have a little bit of a gap about the Hawaiians. And he knew all about them, but he also knew they were no 1000s No 1000s Why

Unknown Speaker 20:34
was it Maga? Eventually

Speaker 1 20:43
mistakes can seep in, in the most invasive ways. You think you have something really thin down? For sure. And then it turns out to be wrong. Example of this almost got into the book. And in fact, if it hadn't been for the last minute, photos, I never would have found out the error. And so somebody pointed out to me, there was a fellow named Amanda, who works for the Hudson's Bay Company for more than 10. And then, we went to work for some Catholic missionaries on harbor Island.

Speaker 1 21:33
Missionaries eventually moved on a mission for coffee land. And he settled on an island with his native and his wife. And his lovely people had to compromise. But come into the Hudson's Bay Company represents an island now. This is board bored. I always look through the archives to try to find out. When did these people die? Sometimes the only time people like that were ever mentioned. And there was an obituary, George died is a Thursday, the first attempt as a valued member of the community of the needed community. People married women as close as possible. So I didn't think much of it was interesting that they didn't have we had a Hawaiian nation that would have so I was sure that that died. And then I came across another reference. a live

Speaker 1 23:08
person, floppy, floppy research doing an article in DC should have taken somehow somebody tells us one thing. One person said this without a footnote, that the family stories are the obituaries. And I read the obituary, and then I was at the stage gathering photos contacted by a guy who's

Speaker 1 23:51
really good gorge command, had died at Alert Bay in 1895. At the age of 56, or something, the other guy was 95. If I hadn't gotten the sap of information and the whole family story, I would have found without error, I was absolutely confident that I was writing the documentation

Speaker 1 24:29
a lucky thing happened to me in the course and dragged on for years and years.

Unknown Speaker 24:47
During this time, connected defendants began to network this is all just now of course A lot of them related to marriage. So there had been something

Speaker 1 25:04
they had not really systematically tried to get together. But that started about four years ago. And they started having these annual get together, they call the Hawaiian connection. The first one was called the third one. Folsom Island, they had a big blue out a wonderful event

Speaker 1 25:37
through this, I began to I began to meet even more people I never would have run into otherwise. There was for example, a family now called Johnston and as often as they were descended from a captain on the Fraser, who was part and parcel line, he was very unusual mother's wife most cases, the father of this guy's mother was Hawaiian and father was

Speaker 1 26:21
the father than born in the Gold Rush, California. Local and then the sun be in Hawaii and married Hawaiian woman, they ended up in British Columbia, in New Westminster, and they and then their son was put through seamanship school and he became a captain on one of the phrases considered to be the most elegant, the newest, the most elegant first time on some crazy guy was Arthur Lyons

Speaker 1 27:06
finding out about that error by himself that also means to somebody I met and it was only a very loud so the most recent of these Hawaiian connections that I attended that was probably I shouldn't have waited another three or four years find the answers, lingering questions. publication itself once I was even done for the first publication itself was a more detailed domain name my books back for a year at UBC after a year of singing along and assuring me that they they published popular and academic publications committee on academic theoretical theoretical migration theory I was very disappointed because I I've been an academic myself and I thought if this is the test the way to go you know, there's always popular questions but really since I've done all this research 75 patients how can I throw that out the window though, it's possible that after wasting a year of my time back to square one, bicycles are Republicans. They took six months to not decide either finally, it was getting to be I was getting kind of anxious about it and and I had mentioned there was a luau last year. And for that, I had an article assignment for Equinox magazine. And they liked the idea of a real throughout and they were going to be able to send a professional photographer. I can project call and say, okay, that article is likely to come out now and to 95. But if the book isn't out, that will be a shame. So we're all here I have this book getting publicity from Equinox wouldn't it be terrible if I began trying to pull out so it was no more Mr. Nice Guy. One person called a couple of other publishers. If they don't really have to know within a week or two, send it off to public historians. Without going with like quite a good job of the books came out in February now I've been doing

Unknown Speaker 30:19
a range a bit of publicity for me media media

Speaker 1 30:37
that's going a little sooner but finally getting started now in the States. They have high hopes the Americans title

Unknown Speaker 30:47
Washington, Oregon, especially in Hawaii. So finally done off to a good start. Role Reversal provides people for years but one of the people asking a good question mark at the end of this I told them about how people like Jackie pangloss and the role of San Jose pass down their relatives in Hawaii

Speaker 1 31:23
than any of them decide to stay because they love Hawaii so much and one of the stories is Why is applying Come here? How could you imagine that why is it when his Hawaiian Islands went back to why didn't anyone say

Unknown Speaker 31:38
no this is a paradise site yes

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Speaker 2 32:13
think you can see by the way, Congress folks. This organization is privileged to have this now we had a presentation during the year by Ken McKenzie on the Canadian National who said tremendously for some people like slapping on faces that others are doing research. We're lucky we're very lucky stories.

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I will put these things

Speaker 2 33:19
out there. Tea and coffee have already dropped in something called a quarter voted donation to offset the costs